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Re: A DIY diabetes kit

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My son was just recently diagnosed type 1 about 4 months ago (exactly on his 1st birthday, shitty birthday). Unfortunately, we live in Vietnam where access to even basics like pumps, let alone CGM, is non-existant, or incredibly hard. We had to fly to Singapore to get a pump, and then fly back every three months to get new supplies. CGM is a pipe dream. One thing this article doesn't touch on, which is unfortunate, i…

> Test strips in the US can cost $1-2 per strip; we spend about 20-30 cents per. I have type 2, and don't know much about type 1, but I am assuming that the test strips are the same. If so, you can do better than 20-30 cents in the US. The key is to avoid the big brand name meters, like Contour, FreeStyle, AccuCheck, and such. Get a meter from True or ReliOn. These are available retail online and at major brick and m…

> you can do better than 20-30 cents in the US.

> The key is to avoid the big brand name meters,

> Get a meter from True or ReliOn. These are available retail online and at major brick and mortar pharmacies for around $10-15 for a kit that includes the meter, some lancets, and around 10 test strips. Example: [1].

Agree. When I shopped for a meter at my local Kroger pharmacy (King Soopers here) my only decision was how much are the strips. Mine is an OnSync, and the strips are branded Kroger; the in-store pharmacist told me that Kroger worked with a manufacturer to make an affordable setup.

Everyone has their needs and such, but all things being equal, shop for the cheapest strips, and then the meter that takes them.

Re: A DIY diabetes kit

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My son was just recently diagnosed type 1 about 4 months ago (exactly on his 1st birthday, shitty birthday). Unfortunately, we live in Vietnam where access to even basics like pumps, let alone CGM, is non-existant, or incredibly hard. We had to fly to Singapore to get a pump, and then fly back every three months to get new supplies. CGM is a pipe dream. One thing this article doesn't touch on, which is unfortunate, i…

Sorry to hear about your son! Hopefully your son wasn't in ketoacidosis by the time he was diagnosed, and the initial days were just training and not ICU.

My own experience with using the Dexcom G4 CGM with my 1-year old son was extremely negative. First, it was terrible to insert the sensor -- it is a clunky mechanism which would sometimes fail and leave you with a worthless sensor, and at best would leave your child in screaming pain for minutes afterwards. The sensors would often fail, or start falling off long before their 7-day promised lifespan. The adhesive caused allergic reactions which left nasty red welts, and eventually you run out of fresh places to insert them.

When they were working at their best, you would have a readout which would tell you approximate glucose level, and if you are heading up or down. However, there are no error bars, and errors can be very significant. More calibration (measuring with a strip and entering the measurement into the CGM) is not always better. Sometimes we would find it was exactly correct, sometimes it would be 50 or more points off. You still always have to measure before dosing because the accuracy just isn't there.

The biggest issue we would have is, leaving the CGM under the crib so that it was in-range, and then checking it during the night, many times we would end up with the dreaded '???' in place of a blood sugar reading, and a large gap in the chart. Dexcom blamed the CGM and replaced it twice; the problem kept recurring.

Then, the times when the CGM was not losing its mind or its signal, it would frequently start false alarming -- it does not have a hysteresis algorithm to prevent the alarm from triggering over and over again if you are lingering and constantly crossing over a threshold. As anyone with a young child knows, sleep is a priceless commodity, and unnecessary alarms going off multiple times throughout the night are a total deal breaker.

For a system which was supposed to increase glucose control and peace of mind, the G4, for our 1-year old and us, did neither. Add in the extreme cost ($350/mo for sensors, assuming they all even work) the utility just wasn't there for us. Two G4 Platinums and a few sensors now sit in the back of the closet collecting dust.

We used syringes for almost a year before switching to the OmniPod pump. It is similar physically to the G4 sensor, except it auto-inserts the cannula which helps a lot, although our youngest still cries for a couple minutes after each insertion (every 3 days). A controller acts as the glucose monitor, and also lets you enter in the carbs and it calculates the appropriate bolus. It's a nice system, except the pods also fail early about 20% of the time, they can fall off and leave rashes and puncture wounds, and they waste a huge amount of insulin for children since the minimum capacity for a 3-day pod is nearly 100 units. But it's hard to beat the convenience of dosing for a meal when you're eating out and you just have to push a few buttons.

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Interesting how they discuss risks in open source. If one can make a guess from other software it is very likely that open source at least in the future will outperform proprietary solutions. Standardization organizations should start to think about how to make their certification processes attractive for FOSS projects, imo.

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I still don't understand why insulin is so regulated and expensive in US. I feel sorry for people with Type 1, Type 2 who many a times have to skip their insulin dose. I think it should be freely available over the counter and there should be some cheap availability for such a common drug.

Walmart sells older forms over the counter. http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2015/12/14/45904732... Pricing info isn't super apparent, I guess it probably isn't a whole lot more than the $25 a vial suggested in various articles and comments about it.

Yeah that's the old school NPH variety. While you can certainly manage with it, you'll not manage well.

Modern diabetes management includes either pumping or multiple daily injections (MDI). With MDI, you use a long acting insulin as a basal, or background, insulin. And then you'll use a rapid insulin to bolus for meals and to make corrections for unexpected spikes.

The pump is similar to MDI but you only use rapid insulin and the pump delivers a steady basal stream throughout the day, and you still bolus at meals and for unexpected spikes.

These two things allow diabetics to eat whatever they want.

We did the old school way for the first few weeks because that's the only way the doctors in Vietnam knew how to do it. It really sucked numbers wise.

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Open question - What is the actual cost of living with Diabetes type 1 in the US with a good health insurance? The reason I am asking is I have a 10-year old son with type 1 and we are thinking of moving to US (from Sweden) and would like to estimate the actual cost of living with diabetes in the US in order to make a real life calculation of what it would actually cost us per month. Any tips would be appreciated - i…

German here, only limited experience of staying in the US. But at least here we have the prejudice that Sweden has the best European social system. Best schools, doctors, health care, job security, income. Is that way off from what you think? If it's partially true, and your system is at least as good as Germany's then you need to stay. Only go to the US if you are super rich. Then treatment there is better. In the middle (even upper middle) you are probably way better in Sweden.

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Open question - What is the actual cost of living with Diabetes type 1 in the US with a good health insurance? The reason I am asking is I have a 10-year old son with type 1 and we are thinking of moving to US (from Sweden) and would like to estimate the actual cost of living with diabetes in the US in order to make a real life calculation of what it would actually cost us per month. Any tips would be appreciated - i…

cost would be highly variable.

insur. depends on your employer and 100 other factors. some plans very little cost others maybe 25%. if you are independently employed insur will run about $25,000 to 35,000 per year for the family.

if your son is "healthy" and is a "good" diabetic he can get by on about $6,000/year. this would be if he eats well, moderately active and maintains sugar well. fyi if athletic this doubles or triples amount of insulin consumed. if your son takes very poor care of himself very erratic sugar 100-350 and 5-8 extra trips to the ER and or doctor and you want the top end insulin pump, humalog, humalog pens etc then the cost could be as high as your imagination.

Re: A DIY diabetes kit

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Good to see this here. I'm one of the developers (though more on the radio comms side, rather than on the glucose control side. See http://github.com/oskarpearson/mmeowlink/wiki for info). My wife's been on the software since last September, and it's made a huge difference to us. If you've any questions, ask here or grab me on twitter at @oskarpearson

If I wanted to get something like this setup for a homeless person... what would I need to do?

The biggest problem is going to be expense, followed by reliability and power when out-and-about.

I'm not sure where you are, but in the USA compatible pumps probably start at around $1,000. That doesn't include the monthly cost of the CGMS sensors, which is also significant.

If you're in a country with universal healthcare, and the healthcare provider is willing to cover the CGMS sensors you might have success. (Some govt healthcare services will cover CGMS sensors for people that can't tell when they are hypoglycemic.)

If the person with diabetes (PWD) is very mobile, reduced size and weight will have to be at the forefront of your thinking. However, that requires the most expensive OpenAPS hardware (the Intel Edison - see the mmeowlink wiki).

If the PWD is ok with a larger device due to a bigger battery, you could use cheaper hardware (Pi zero and a 20,000mah battery). It'll still need daily charging, though.

One idea: you might find running things overnight only might have an advantage, depending on whether they have a stable relationship with a shelter. The system would then cover them for a reasonable amount of time every day without the challenge of waterproofing, batteries, etc.

If this is feasible, the best place to start is with the simplest config, as documented at https://github.com/openaps/docs/blob/master/docs/docs/walkth...

Let me know if I can be of any support. My details are in my profile. Alternatively, you can find us on the intend-to-bolus channel on gitter.

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My son was just recently diagnosed type 1 about 4 months ago (exactly on his 1st birthday, shitty birthday). Unfortunately, we live in Vietnam where access to even basics like pumps, let alone CGM, is non-existant, or incredibly hard. We had to fly to Singapore to get a pump, and then fly back every three months to get new supplies. CGM is a pipe dream. One thing this article doesn't touch on, which is unfortunate, i…

Sorry to hear about your son! Hopefully your son wasn't in ketoacidosis by the time he was diagnosed, and the initial days were just training and not ICU. My own experience with using the Dexcom G4 CGM with my 1-year old son was extremely negative. First, it was terrible to insert the sensor -- it is a clunky mechanism which would sometimes fail and leave you with a worthless sensor, and at best would leave your chil…

Thanks!

Yes he was DKA on diagnosis. It took them 4 days to figure that out too.

For us the CGM would be about getting rid of and/or minimizing the overnight blood checks. There's nothing more horrifying then sleeping through an alarm now. In fact, that just happened to me. Fell asleep on the couch, woke up two hours past his check, saying "oh fuck" a lot as I run around the house like a headless chicken.

The only CGM we can get out here is the medtronic enlite. Our pediatric endo in Singapore didn't have great things to say about it, which is why we started with the pump. The only pump available to us too is the medtronic series, which, to be honest, has been perfectly fine and man what a game changer. His numbers have really fallen into line since we switched from MDI.

Re: A DIY diabetes kit

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My son was just recently diagnosed type 1 about 4 months ago (exactly on his 1st birthday, shitty birthday). Unfortunately, we live in Vietnam where access to even basics like pumps, let alone CGM, is non-existant, or incredibly hard. We had to fly to Singapore to get a pump, and then fly back every three months to get new supplies. CGM is a pipe dream. One thing this article doesn't touch on, which is unfortunate, i…

To the point about using Glucagon in some kind of fashion... We (EMS) give glucagon to hypoglycemic diabetic patients when we are unable to obtain IV access. I am not a doctor, but we almost always prefer to give them D50 via IV for diabetic emergencies in the field. Most of the time, they don't need to go into the ER after such intervention. As a last resort we give glucagon IM and wait, and wait... more often than…

Yes, we have two glucagon syringes in our diabetes kit for emergencies.

The biotic pancreas uses glucagon to bump you up from lows:

http://diatribe.org/introducing-beta-bionics-bringing-ilet-b...

Re: A DIY diabetes kit

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My son was just recently diagnosed type 1 about 4 months ago (exactly on his 1st birthday, shitty birthday). Unfortunately, we live in Vietnam where access to even basics like pumps, let alone CGM, is non-existant, or incredibly hard. We had to fly to Singapore to get a pump, and then fly back every three months to get new supplies. CGM is a pipe dream. One thing this article doesn't touch on, which is unfortunate, i…

Will no-one post/courier the supplies to Vietnam? That would surely be cheaper than a flight. If I'm looking at the right advice [1], insulin is £1.50-£3 ($2-4) in the UK, so that may be one possible source. (The UK suppliers I found don't have information on overseas delivery on their sites; it's probably worth a phone call.) [1] http://www.diabetes.co.uk/insulin-pumps/buying-an-insulin-pu...

Note that insulin is pretty temperature sensitive, and needs specialist shipping so that it doesn't end up boiling on a tarmac somewhere. That said, we found pump-compatible insulin on Phi-Phi Island in Thailand, so I expect insulin is possibly not the core issue.

The other things (like infusion sets) should be easy to ship. The UK suppliers generally won't sell them unless you have a UK pump and an account with them, though. It could probably be worked around though, using some sort of international forwarding arrangement.

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