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Re: HyperTerm – JS/HTML/CSS Terminal

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Post by thomasfoster96 »

jsprogrammer wrote: post #185
JoBrad wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a gross misunderstanding of the Constitution. Some very simple searching lands you at this page, which has some helpful information about trademarks, how to pick one, and how to enforce it. Properly enforced, trademarks are a source of financial stability for entrepreneurs, and it is entirely in the realm of the US government to regulate them. http://www.uspto.gov/trademarks-getting-started/trademark-ba...

Unfortunately my current network appears to block that site. Perhaps you could paste a quote from that page that is relevant to this discussion? The argument here is that this use is non-commercial (we are also apparently arguing about a non-respondent trademark), so the financial stability of entrepreneurs is irrelevant.

Intellectual property is still intellectual property, even if a non-profit is using it. Your argument would allow any nonprofit to use the trademarks of any business in the United States, which is clearly neither good for entrepreneurs nor legal.

Re: HyperTerm – JS/HTML/CSS Terminal

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Post by Tloewald »

flomo wrote: post #200
Tloewald wrote: post #34

This makes me want to re-implemented "commando" from AUX/MPW (I've never understood why this idea didn't take off). If you don't know, when you typed an ellipsis after a command in AUX or MPW a dialog box would be displayed showing the most popular toggles and options for the command (and allowing graphical file-picking). When you clicked "ok" it would type the command for you, so it made the command line both easier…

> I just downloaded and tried it out and lost my enthusiasm. There's no attempt to provide a proper GUI. That was always my take on Commando. In theory, there's an idea there. In practice, it's not clear who it was supposed to appeal to. If one has to mouse around, just provide a proper GUI wrapper for the tool.

I lost enthusiasm for hyperterm. Commando was awesome.

Re: HyperTerm – JS/HTML/CSS Terminal

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Post by [deleted] »

flomo wrote: post #200
Tloewald wrote: post #34

This makes me want to re-implemented "commando" from AUX/MPW (I've never understood why this idea didn't take off). If you don't know, when you typed an ellipsis after a command in AUX or MPW a dialog box would be displayed showing the most popular toggles and options for the command (and allowing graphical file-picking). When you clicked "ok" it would type the command for you, so it made the command line both easier…

> I just downloaded and tried it out and lost my enthusiasm. There's no attempt to provide a proper GUI. That was always my take on Commando. In theory, there's an idea there. In practice, it's not clear who it was supposed to appeal to. If one has to mouse around, just provide a proper GUI wrapper for the tool.

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Re: HyperTerm – JS/HTML/CSS Terminal

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Post by stymaar »

johnfn wrote: post #171
jackmott wrote: post #102

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Well for instance, Atom and VSCode have ~50ms (or ~49x) more input latency than editors written in C (source: https://pavelfatin.com/typing-with-pleasure/ ) But maybe we are willing to accept 50x worse performance and higher memory requirements and slower startup time because the language is nice and guarantees correctness....Well no, it is javascript, not Haskell or Lisp. So, what is the win here? Why have we collec…

* We've decided to use JavaScript because the community is there. Go ahead and write an IDE in Haskell - have fun rewriting all the libraries that already exist in JavaScript and soliciting for open source contributions when a tiny fraction of all programmers can understand it. I love Haskell and lisp, but you have to face the facts. * TypeScript is actually a good language, and gives pretty darn good correctness gua…

> * TypeScript is actually a good language, and gives pretty darn good correctness guarantees.

TypeScript's main focus is IDE tooling, not correctness. Here is an example on how generics are unsound in TypeScript: http://djcordhose.github.io/flow-vs-typescript/2016_hhjs.htm...

If you want to write JavaScript with a type system focused on soundness, you should give [flow](https://flowtype.org/) a try.

Re: HyperTerm – JS/HTML/CSS Terminal

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Post by cerebellum42 »

jsprogrammer wrote: post #183
tptacek wrote: post #162

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If this comment isn't a troll, it's epsilon from it. We don't need to litigate the Constitution; a simple Google search for [trademark noncommercial] will suffice.

So simple that you cannot even provide a link? This is what I found on the front page of that Google search: > At the same time, the statute characterizes certain activities as non-actionable “exclusions,” including “ any noncommercial use of a mark.” any any any That was from the beginning text of a link on the first page of Google results for the search that you told me to make. Did you read any of the pages? Or is…

> Non-commercial use cannot be prevented, except if that use harms the distinctiveness of the trademark

That is clearly the case here.

Re: HyperTerm – JS/HTML/CSS Terminal

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Post by 67079F105EC467B »

xena wrote: post #198
curioussavage wrote: post #195

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All you have to do is enter a url and it will render web pages. It uses redux and lets extension developers modify any action basically letting them modify anything, so an extension that makes a nice browser is definitely possible. Also I'm sure you could embed Atom into it too. Basically my holy grail , an entire web dev environment in one app/window with tabs..

But you can already have this pretty trivially in emacs: http://puu.sh/q3hpW/2933a20e84.png

But then you are using emacs...

Re: HyperTerm – JS/HTML/CSS Terminal

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Post by fvargas »

curioussavage wrote: post #195
vortico wrote: post #192

Just an idea: The only windowed applications I use are a terminal (st), my text editor (Atom), and a browser (Firefox). Suppose I switched to HyperTerm, Atom, and Chromium. I would have three copies of the Chromium renderer and V8 interpreter loaded in memory. Is there a project that merges these things into a single daemon, to improve individual app startup time, save memory, and reduce the binary size from 42 MB (f…

All you have to do is enter a url and it will render web pages. It uses redux and lets extension developers modify any action basically letting them modify anything, so an extension that makes a nice browser is definitely possible. Also I'm sure you could embed Atom into it too. Basically my holy grail , an entire web dev environment in one app/window with tabs..

The moment when I saw Google render inside the terminal is when I went from "whatever" to "wow". My typical dev setup involves a fullscreen terminal (with Vim) and a Chrome window with various tabs. Furthermore, I usually place these in separate workspaces. But if I could effectively house my Chrome tabs within my terminal, that would be such a pleasure to use. Especially since switching workspaces on MacOS comes with an unconfigurable animation/delay.

Re: HyperTerm – JS/HTML/CSS Terminal

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Post by GreaterFool »

I think it would be great if we could go beyond text in terminal applications. Think Jupyter notebooks but inside terminal. It would be great if terminal window was just an OpenGL surface that one could draw on, with good API for doing just text. Something as simple as "put this interactive plot in this 20x20 area there" would make a big difference for a lot of programs and scripts I'm writing. At the moment if I want something like that I pipe the data through websocket to the browser and that's OK but I'd rather stay in the terminal.
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