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Google deletes artist’s blog, a decade of his work

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Post by sliverstorm »

andrey_utkin wrote: post #108
leonroy wrote: post #91

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Fully agree with your comments, but I fear we're going in the wrong direction with the silo-ization of the web and the decline in open standards being ratified and used by large companies. Just look at Google's hostility towards maintaining standardized IMAP/SMTP support for third party mail clients. Google Apps and Office 365 would drop IMAP access to their services in a heartbeat if they could. Furthermore a lot of…

We need to follow Richard Stallman in his obsession with ehtics. "Sorry mate, I find FB/Google/Skype/etc. unethical, so I won't get in touch with you using this, let's better stick with email, phone call or meeting in person".

Pots isn't open source...

Re: Google deletes artist’s blog, a decade of his work

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Post by discordianfish »

ungzd wrote: post #100

If it's really due to some kind of erotic pictures, then I don't understand why often american companies like Google act like iranian. Is there any laws in USA that allows to punish Google for hosting images of woman nipples? Why both App store and Google play's TOS include sins from Old Testament?

I've wondered the same over an over. Maybe it's ads but maybe they simply do it because many people outside the liberal western would would indeed feel offended (and those companies would face legal issues in very conservative countries).

Re: Google deletes artist’s blog, a decade of his work

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Post by whack »

I found the following cryptic snippet, from the Guardian's coverage of this topic:

"He had a featured post, twice a month, where he would take ads by escorts and highlight their literary qualities."

I have little idea what the above really means, but it almost sounds like advertising/marketing for prostitution. My best guess at the moment, is that Google considered the above to be a flagrant violation of its rules, and hence, shut down his page immediately.

I can understand if Google considers certain aspects of his page to be unacceptable, but I wish they had notified him of the reason for their decision, and given him a week's time to download all his data and transition to a different website. As someone who relies on gmail/drive very heavily for important documents/correspondence, reading something like this makes me feel quite uneasy.

Re: Google deletes artist’s blog, a decade of his work

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Post by wpietri »

mbesto wrote: post #147
a3n wrote: post #71

The hindsight-prescriptive comments here focus on backing up, and that's a sensible practice. But there was another kind of damage done here, to the man's identity, location and voice. His blog and his email address were his public persona. He used his blog and his address as identity, and as his channel of communication with followers, other artists, and I assume most of his general online communication. That person…

> That persona no longer exists. He's been all but disappeared, and it's going to take a long time for him to reconnect. If the internet didn't exist, an artist would have bought storage for his art. Why this artist feels that a service he didn't pay for owes him anything is baffling to me.

Ah, blaming the victim, always easy.

Turn it around, though: if Google feels like it's not responsible for anything it hosts, shouldn't it say so, loud and clear? Say, a banner that says, "Hey, we'll delete your stuff any time we feel like it," at the top of every Gmail page?

Google's users aren't parasites. There is both a relationship and an exchange of economic value. That's why Google has worked very hard to be trusted by everybody, to be seen as responsible stewards of vast amounts of often very personal information.

If Google doesn't want people to trust them, they should not work so hard to be seen as trustworthy. That the artist believed them is not an error on his part.

Re: Google deletes artist’s blog, a decade of his work

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Post by eitland »

corobo wrote: post #15
TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #11

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At least the article opens with the conclusion, saves scrolling. Having said that, I did continue scrolling and the article goes on to say > More generally, relying on the internet as an archive is dangerous. And it is, at least, another point toward helping me feel vindicated for being that person who always says "and you have off site backups for when your house burns down, right?"

Definitely feel vindicated, it's the 3-2-1 rule 3 copies 2 different forms of media 1 offsite

Adding my own[0] rule here:

Disks exists in two states: failed and failing.

[0]: please feel free to let me know if you know any previous references to this rule.

Re: Google deletes artist’s blog, a decade of his work

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Post by pavel_lishin »

whack wrote: post #153

I found the following cryptic snippet, from the Guardian's coverage of this topic: "He had a featured post, twice a month, where he would take ads by escorts and highlight their literary qualities." I have little idea what the above really means, but it almost sounds like advertising/marketing for prostitution. My best guess at the moment, is that Google considered the above to be a flagrant violation of its rules, a…

It sounds more like satire to me.

Re: Google deletes artist’s blog, a decade of his work

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Post by Arnt »

ordinary wrote: post #145
Arnt wrote: post #130

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Aren't you saying that despite the observable part of the moon being rock, the unobservable part is cheese?

Google management is neither unobservable nor unobserved.

Judging by the actions of Google's people in IETF, any feature that's used by paying mail customers seems to have management support. Management seems to like income, as far as I can tell.

Re: Google deletes artist’s blog, a decade of his work

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Post by Arnt »

daveloyall wrote: post #136
Arnt wrote: post #116

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Hm, I've spoken to gmail's lead developer for imap many times over the years and never detected even a hint of hostility. What have I missed?

The effing rotating TLS keys. You missed that?

Cite RFC?

Re: Google deletes artist’s blog, a decade of his work

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Post by mrgoldenbrown »

whack wrote: post #153

I found the following cryptic snippet, from the Guardian's coverage of this topic: "He had a featured post, twice a month, where he would take ads by escorts and highlight their literary qualities." I have little idea what the above really means, but it almost sounds like advertising/marketing for prostitution. My best guess at the moment, is that Google considered the above to be a flagrant violation of its rules, a…

The quickest way to stop feeling uneasy is to back up your gmail and drive data immediately.

Re: Google deletes artist’s blog, a decade of his work

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Post by [deleted] »

michaelvoz wrote: post #150
discordianfish wrote: post #138

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Which is, maybe, the reason nobody knows or cares about Richard Stallman and his ideas beyond us tech folk.

He is also a bit of a windbag. He likes to change words because the semantics don't suit his world view. Additionally, his rants are very alienating. The man is a genius in a lot of ways, but he really misses the mark on a lot of things.

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