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Re: Google deletes artist’s blog, a decade of his work

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The hindsight-prescriptive comments here focus on backing up, and that's a sensible practice. But there was another kind of damage done here, to the man's identity, location and voice. His blog and his email address were his public persona. He used his blog and his address as identity, and as his channel of communication with followers, other artists, and I assume most of his general online communication. That person…

Fully agree with your comments, but I fear we're going in the wrong direction with the silo-ization of the web and the decline in open standards being ratified and used by large companies.

Just look at Google's hostility towards maintaining standardized IMAP/SMTP support for third party mail clients. Google Apps and Office 365 would drop IMAP access to their services in a heartbeat if they could.

Furthermore a lot of our online interactions are moving from open formats like Usenet, IRC, XMPP and SMTP/IMAP to closed off walled gardens like Twitter, Instagram and Facebook.

This artist's online presence could have been entirely based on Instagram and Twitter for example and I bet many (younger than I) folks nowadays do eschew email for other forms of communication.

I don't think self sufficiency in communication is a problem the end user can be realistically expected to solve. It's up to engineers and technology stake holders to try and push us back to a more open way of using these apps and provide standards based communication.

I don't know how the heck we'll do that - I don't see any user pressure for companies to even try, but news like this troubles me and I think it's going to get much worse before people realize their data isn't their own and push for it to get better.

Re: Google deletes artist’s blog, a decade of his work

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Ah yes, the "customer support by Internet shaming" strategy, the only approach that appears to work with inexplicable Google takedowns.

Given that Google's customer support has autistic tendencies to put it mildly, I do not feel sorry for them

Nobody's suggesting feeling sorry for Google. Feel sorry for the people who aren't able to work up an internet shitstorm.

Re: Google deletes artist’s blog, a decade of his work

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post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A few month ago someone here on HN stated "People don't want backups. People want restores". Can't recall who, though...

I've known (and retold) a similar saying for years: "Nobody wants backup. Everyone wants restore."

I think people are jaded due to windows automated backup, where you tell it to keep only the latest backup and it still manages to fill your hard drive with 50 of them.

Re: Google deletes artist’s blog, a decade of his work

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post #71

The hindsight-prescriptive comments here focus on backing up, and that's a sensible practice. But there was another kind of damage done here, to the man's identity, location and voice. His blog and his email address were his public persona. He used his blog and his address as identity, and as his channel of communication with followers, other artists, and I assume most of his general online communication. That person…

Why not just get a stable, world-reachable[1] IP address? All the services you use have them. You can too.

When you have your own, then you can run your own "services", not to mention many other possibilities, such as true decentralized communications -- no third party servers needed.

1. "World-reachable" means you control the firewall, not a third party.

Alternatively, be satisfied and keep depending on third parties.

Google: "Let us make many consecutive requests to your webserver, download and store copies of your content." You: "Agreed." You: "Let me make many consecutive reuqests to your webserver, download and store copies of my own or other people's content." Google: "Sorry".

Then Google makes your content available to others, but only for a few searches at time[2]. To add insult to injury, it sells advertising and, if the regulators are correct, promotes its own websites -- all serving user-generated content -- as people are searching through publicly available information.

"Middleman" or "service"?

2. Any attempt to collect in bulk results in IP ban. Compare Internet Archive who encourages users to crawl their collection.

Organizing public information sounds like a lovely goal for a company, until you realize it will be access controlled (it's public information), laden with ads (because the company cannot support itself without advertisers), user tracking for the advertisers and that the changes to the algorithms that include or exclude results are secret. And there will be no index. You can only access the data through search.

Moving beyond the first page of results is OK only so long as you do not go "too fast" or go too deep -- you will never get to page 100 witout first being banned. WTF?

Re: Google deletes artist’s blog, a decade of his work

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post #75
post #50

Somewhat relevant https://xkcd.com/1150/

Not somewhat, but really, really relevant. Dude uploaded all his work to a service he did not control without having backups or plans to move to a self-hosted blog. Hell, he could have used wordpress.com if he didn't want the "hassle" of updating his installation. And on top he didn't have local backups? I mean, what if his hard drive had died? Would he have blamed WD or Seagate?

Partially relevant. A more apt example would be 'xyz lets me put all my junk in his nice shelf garage, I can look at 'em whenever I want, my junk looks great. He also lets anyone come through his garage to see it. It's so popular he gets advertisers to spend money posting other items to sell there... now he just threw out all my stuff without warning because his advertising garage business wasn't worth maintaining anymore.'

That's a dick move through and through. We can wag our fingers and say 'you should have known better' but clearly if this were the case all the time, with all our free services, this model of business would fail. It is 'free' so long as it's profitable or has the potential to be profitable to them.

These services have no explicit guarantee that they will last, or protect your stuff, but we expect them to. It's implied in the marketing or usability of the thing. You pay a merchant for an item, you don't explicitly pay to secure your credit card with hashes and salts in a DB, it's implied in the service. I suppose it's your fault if your credit card is swiped because you should have used cash... or gold bullion.

Re: Google deletes artist’s blog, a decade of his work

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post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not somewhat, but really, really relevant. Dude uploaded all his work to a service he did not control without having backups or plans to move to a self-hosted blog. Hell, he could have used wordpress.com if he didn't want the "hassle" of updating his installation. And on top he didn't have local backups? I mean, what if his hard drive had died? Would he have blamed WD or Seagate?

The problem is, Google actively advertises their reliability and does not actively encourage backing up your account to protect yourself from Google deleting you. As many people perceive that Google is incredibly unlikely to lose your data, this isn't usually thought of the way you immediately tend to think you need a backup of your hard drive in your PC. Very few people backup their Google account regularly (or at a…

It's more than just Google, it's the whole tech press that pushes the glorious cloud future without covering these kinds of caveats. A big selling point of the cloud for average people is that supposedly they don't have to worry about having to protect their data as professionals will do it for them, but then these incidents come out and there's these "I told you so" where apparently they always need a self-hosted version as well.

Re: Google deletes artist’s blog, a decade of his work

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If it's really due to some kind of erotic pictures, then I don't understand why often american companies like Google act like iranian. Is there any laws in USA that allows to punish Google for hosting images of woman nipples? Why both App store and Google play's TOS include sins from Old Testament?
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