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Re: Cloud9 Acquired by Amazon

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Post by tedmiston »

piffey wrote: post #105
pibefision wrote: post #84

I've discovered C9 while viewing coders working via Livecoding.tv. It's highly interesting how very young developers are using C9, naturally, to code. Something great is happening behind this behavior, it's much more than an online IDE. It feels friction less to develop a website totally online for this kind of developers. Also, for example, I can think many people using PC's on cybercafes prefering C9 to develop. I…

I fail to see how it's advantageous over just having a shell account somewhere free like SDF though. Do young developers just want to interact with everything through the browser?

A GUI over CLI is an advantage for many developers, age aside.

Re: Cloud9 Acquired by Amazon

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Post by tedmiston »

maxaf wrote: post #7
petercooper wrote: post #3

Once fully integrated with AWS, this could offer a rather exciting, low friction way to work on the platform. Using Cloud9 to build, test, and deploy Lambda functions from a single interface with all the auth stuff dealt with automatically.. you could have some powerful APIs running in the cloud very quickly. (Maybe there's even a play for getting this stuff into the hands of non-engineering employees. Build the "Exc…

The last thing this world needs is mission-critical software edited willy-nilly through a "convenient" web browser interface. We as an industry can barely put our pants on in the morning on the best of days, and now this.

Are you suggesting that using a web IDE is a constraint that makes it impossible to build mission critical applications?

Re: Cloud9 Acquired by Amazon

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Post by z3t4 »

hyperdeficit wrote: post #18

I really hope that the Cloud9 service keeps running, and maintains the free version that it currently provides. I have been using Cloud9 with the Michael Hartl Rails Tutorial to teach new programmers the basics of programming with Ruby and Rails and it has greatly reduced the friction for them to start learning. In previous classes we had the students setup a Ruby and Rails environment on their own systems and not on…

I think you should learn how to install a program and even compile a program before you make one yourself. If you learn these basic skills it will be easy to take up any programming language.

Re: Cloud9 Acquired by Amazon

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Post by tedmiston »

petercooper wrote: post #3

Once fully integrated with AWS, this could offer a rather exciting, low friction way to work on the platform. Using Cloud9 to build, test, and deploy Lambda functions from a single interface with all the auth stuff dealt with automatically.. you could have some powerful APIs running in the cloud very quickly. (Maybe there's even a play for getting this stuff into the hands of non-engineering employees. Build the "Exc…

That Lambda use case makes a lot of sense. The editor they have in place for Lambda right now barely exists. You can't even use it if you go the upload the build artifact as a zip route.

Re: Cloud9 Acquired by Amazon

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Post by wiredone »

goldenkey wrote: post #22
jecyll wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Amazon works coniniously to become the provider for everything you can imagine

Even the best job? Because working for them was the worst work environment I ever experienced in 15 years of employment as a software development engineer. Amazon may have some cheap prices and their customer service has the margins available to offer refunds/replacements quickly. But that all is easy guise. Amazon is rotten inside. Each product team does whatever it wants. So how long can the exterior hold a toxic s…

#SourGrapes

Why do 27k engineers (in Seattle alone) need to write in the same language to make a service successful? How many SAAS startups have you worked at? How does Amazon/AWS compare to this? I think you're out of touch and/or lacking context.

Re: Cloud9 Acquired by Amazon

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Post by zeveb »

jcfrei wrote: post #191
zeveb wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And there are already numerous tools which you have to learn for an efficient workflow, like build and testing tools, code repositories, etc. emacs already has interfaces to build and testing tools. It has Magit, the best git interface I've used. > Remember software has always been about raising productivity, not just of an industry but of the developer himself. That's why I'm advocating a user-extensible editing e…

I think it's clear to everybody here that you can integrate any type of functionality into emacs. But if most new programmers prefer browsers, then that's what they are going to use... Maybe they just prefer building tools on top of javascript/css (where they can create actual GUIs) rather than lisp. For most programmers this is kind of a moot discussion because usually you don't get to choose the tools yourself and…

> But if most new programmers prefer browsers, then that's what they are going to use...

If most new programmers prefer to edit code in browsers than in editors, then they are just wrong. I don't know why the preferences of new programmers should matter to professionals any more than the preferences of peewee football players matter to the NFL. The whole point of education is to improve people, not leave them satisfied where they are.

> Maybe they just prefer building tools on top of javascript/css (where they can create actual GUIs) rather than lisp.

Anyone who prefers JavaScript to Lisp or SmallTalk is just wrong. And, of course, one can create 'actual GUIs' in Lisp or SmallTalk just as in JavaScript. In fact, SmallTalk kinda invented the GUI IIRC.

> On a side note: Your TRAMP teleporter appears to use rsync most of the time anyway ;)

At least in my experience it's mostly SSH, not rsync.

Re: Cloud9 Acquired by Amazon

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Post by grncdr »

ben_jones wrote: post #99
stephenr wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hopefully those who have done it, know why its a fucking terrible idea to use this as your default MO. There are exceptions to every rule, that doesn't mean you should make shitting all over the rule your own new rule.

Agreed. IMO it's always during an emergency where it's a decision between fixing the server in 20 seconds, or 5 minutes via the normal deployment pipeline.

What's interesting here is that c9 + lambda would make your normal deployment pipeline much less than 20 seconds

Re: Cloud9 Acquired by Amazon

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Post by rjurney »

isaacn wrote: post #196
rjurney wrote: post #188

I started using Cloud9 a few weeks ago, and my productivity running an interactive visualization app has gone way up. Cloud9 has the best autocomplete ever, and it 'just works' after you do a little environment setup in your included ubuntu instance. Any concerns I had were not a problem, like every day or two the cloud9 window crashes, but when it reopens the cursor is in the exact same place and all state is mainta…

If you're on a mac, this might work for you: http://fluidapp.com/

You are the MAN!

Re: Cloud9 Acquired by Amazon

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Post by ar0b »

TylerJewell wrote: post #172
ar0b wrote: post #88

I've been looking to set up a cloud IDE and was wondering if anyone could compare / offer insight into Cloud9 vs. Eclipse Che?

Hi - I am the Eclipse Che project lead. Cloud 9 and Eclipse Che are different beasts. The primary difference is around the definition of a workspace. Eclipse Che workspaces have an encapsulation that include their runtimes and a self-hosted IDE. This, then, allows you to run Eclipse Che as a workspace server on any server or desktop. And since the workspaces are defined with configuration files you can move workspace…

Thank you very much!
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