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Any time I read anything about legalizing all drugs I am struck by how that opinion would change if they tried to function with a heroin addiction.
Your comment illustrates just how little a drug being illegal does to keep it from being abused. I've never seen someone arguing that people should do more heroin, instead that drugs being illegal is a failed experiment. While it feels like the easy way out, do not confuse drug legalization as supporting the abuse of hard drugs.
Shedding light on the dark web
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#72The chart breaks down marijuana in to "skunk" and "weed". Are these distinct terms that I am unaware of?
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It's not a smoky room conspiracy. A quick google search turned up many articles about private prison companies funding lobbying[1], and I expect you will find similar results if you search for police union donations. [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/04/28/...
While money in politics is certainly an issue which should be fixed, I still think it's disingenuous to say that drugs are illegal simply because parties profit from it. Overall I'd argue that the current state of drug laws is the will of the American people and that corporate efforts to lobby politicians actually falls in line with popular opinion. Again, I'm not necessarily supporting this point of view, I'm only t…
" “You want to know what this was really all about?” he asked with the bluntness of a man who, after public disgrace and a stretch in federal prison, had little left to protect. “The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying? We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.” "
- John Erlichman, on why he and his boss created The War On Drugs
https://harpers.org/archive/2016/04/legalize-it-all/
"Around 1910, the Mexican Revolution was starting to boil over, and many Mexicans immigrated to the U.S. to escape the conflict. This Mexican population had its own uses for cannabis, and they referred to it as “marihuana.” Not only did they use it for medicinal purposes, but they smoked it recreationally, which was a new concept for white Americans. Even the term, marihuana, was unfamiliar to them, as they called it cannabis.
Southern states that were receiving the Mexican immigrants became concerned with this growing population. Newspapers ran headlines speaking of the “Mexican menace” or the “marijuana menace” and claimed Mexican men were going crazy from smoking marijuana and were killing people. El Paso, Texas became the first U.S. city to ban marijuana in 1915, and city officials started rounding up Mexicans who smoked marijuana and had them deported."
http://www.salon.com/2015/07/02/the_real_reason_marijuana_is...
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I tend to feel the same way. These types of things are inevitable, you are never going to stop them from happening. However, when debating this point, I have a hard time defending my point when someone else says "so should we just not do anything? Wouldn't that increase the illegal activity? Should we let people buy guns too? Where do you draw the line?" I have to say, I'm not sure what to say about that. If the gove…
First off if it were legal how would there be an increase in illegal activity? There probably would be an increase in drug use if that is what you mean. The government could still fight it, but it would be a health and human services problem at that point. Which means a lot less high stakes do anything to not get caught crime going on. It could be paid for by taxes on the drugs. There would be fewer deaths from drug…
I think the hypothetical here is that illegal activities could rise in search of money to feed drug addiction. This would come in the form of theft, robbery, etc. It's not as if no one ever stole money to buy food.
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#75Any time I read anything about the illegal drug trade I am struck by how much the industry would change if all drugs were legalized everywhere. So much effort is expended to keep things hidden from law enforcement and other criminals that it adds an incredible amount of friction to the purchasing process for the purchaser and the seller. From the buyer's perspective you now have to go into business with some often un…
The "dark web" enabled me to have my first LSD trip a year ago. This trip as a catalytic experience, combined with daily hour of mindful meditation thereafter allowed me to stop the anti-depressants I had become dependent on. Obviously, no doctor or other pharma industry representative would have ever told me about this solution. We don't question "authority" anymore.
So yes, the pharma industry would change drastically if all "drugs" [0] were made legal, which is precisely why they will be kept illegal. In the US, it's called "lobbying", in other parts of the World, it's called "corruption". Anti-depressants represent a gigantic market, fueled by ever-increasing pressure on our minds, and you sort of become dependent and it destroys things like your sex drive and therewith sabotages your relationship(s).
[0] LSD does not lead to any kind of physical or psychological dependence and is not a "drug" in that sense. It can also remain a single experience (as opposed to anti-depressants) and still have that healing effect. One "trip" costs about USD 5.--, which means it's essentially free, compared to anti-depressants.
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> It's really a shitty experience for everyone involved. However, it creates many thousands of very well paid jobs for police, lawyers, prison employees, etc. - you know, the people that create the laws. Long ago I might have considered that there might be some justification for these laws (or anywhere there's rules really), but nowadays when you wonder why "the way something is" is, it's easier to just assume someon…
I find it hard to believe that there's some sort of conspiracy to keep police, lawyers, and prisons funded via laws against selling drugs. Have you considered that these laws are still in place simply because it's the status quo? Politicians voting on laws and drafting new ones must ultimately answer to their constituents. While the vast majority of things fly under the radar, "pro-drug" support is enough of a charge…
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#77Any time I read anything about the illegal drug trade I am struck by how much the industry would change if all drugs were legalized everywhere. So much effort is expended to keep things hidden from law enforcement and other criminals that it adds an incredible amount of friction to the purchasing process for the purchaser and the seller. From the buyer's perspective you now have to go into business with some often un…
So let's assume that we legalize 'drugs' for everyone: can I now buy pot and meth and acid and heroine and what not complete with shooting accessories from 7-Eleven? Are we seriously proposing that people in masses would be able to responsibly consume these newly available substances. If there is doubt, maybe we add, similar to obtaining a drivers license, a class of responsible substance use for kids to their high school curriculum. A 12-step program from mild to mind blowing experience that runs from elementary to the high school graduation. Which begs the question, do we make them free for all ages, subject to parents discretion, or maybe no drugs for minors? Or high schoolers? But then again, that would make it all less-free.
These blanket statements about legalizing drugs made by arm chair i-dont-know-what equate to trolling, victim of which I feel I just fell ;-)
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Your comment illustrates just how little a drug being illegal does to keep it from being abused. I've never seen someone arguing that people should do more heroin, instead that drugs being illegal is a failed experiment. While it feels like the easy way out, do not confuse drug legalization as supporting the abuse of hard drugs.
You are underestimating the number of libertarians on this site that just see the destructive effects of an incredibly addictive dangerous drug as a problem you could solve using the free market.
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#79Any time I read anything about the illegal drug trade I am struck by how much the industry would change if all drugs were legalized everywhere. So much effort is expended to keep things hidden from law enforcement and other criminals that it adds an incredible amount of friction to the purchasing process for the purchaser and the seller. From the buyer's perspective you now have to go into business with some often un…
Any time I read anything about legalizing all drugs I am struck by how that opinion would change if they tried to function with a heroin addiction.
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How is it any different than trying to function with an alcohol addiction? Are you suggesting that we should ban the booze too? A surprisingly large amount of arguments against drugs are circular: Addiction is bad -> make it illegal -> look at all the legal trouble addiction causes -> Addiction is bad. And most of them get even sillier if you replace the drug being demonized with the word alcohol.
>How is it any different than trying to function with an alcohol addiction? pretty different! Both the addiction, how easy it is to get addicted. I've got a challenge for you, start using heroin, then decide to stop, like a casual drinker. Report back your experience!