Congrats to the team! My first node.js experience was with Cloud9 IDE and the experience was great. I built a real-time multiplayer Bomberman clone extremely fast and it definitely helped me get hired in my past two jobs.
Cloud9 Acquired by Amazon
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#132C9 is my favorite web IDE. Being open source made it so much better than their competitors because you could install it locally to take advantage of your own hardware. It's really cool that they got acquired vs the fleet of mostly proprietary alternatives.
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#133I've discovered C9 while viewing coders working via Livecoding.tv. It's highly interesting how very young developers are using C9, naturally, to code. Something great is happening behind this behavior, it's much more than an online IDE. It feels friction less to develop a website totally online for this kind of developers. Also, for example, I can think many people using PC's on cybercafes prefering C9 to develop. I…
I fail to see how it's advantageous over just having a shell account somewhere free like SDF though. Do young developers just want to interact with everything through the browser?
Somehow we are evolving beyond the PC era by going all the way back before the PC era. The only difference: tty replaced by browsers.
I get it that we need a better user interface than the plain text, but I fail to see any advantage of browsers either. Perhaps we really just need a better terminal emulator? I see the enlightenment guys has some new ideas[0]. Does anybody here know of anything else?
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#134Earlier quoted context omitted.
What if he doesn't want to spend the next 6yrs learning Emacs? c9 has a very low entry bar. It's not reinventing the wheel, it's improving it. You can't really compare a terminal based editor, with an extremely high learning curve, to a preconfigured web based IDE.
> What if he doesn't want to spend the next 6yrs learning Emacs? From rms's ruminations on Lisp & emacs ( https://www.gnu.org/gnu/rms-lisp.en.html ): >> Multics Emacs proved to be a great success — programming new editing commands was so convenient that even the secretaries in his office started learning how to use it. They used a manual someone had written which showed how to extend Emacs, but didn't say it was a pr…
At the risk of sounding precocious but I doubt a novel programmer today has as much time for a project as the folks had back in the 70s and 80s. Development cycles have gotten much, much shorter. And there are already numerous tools which you have to learn for an efficient workflow, like build and testing tools, code repositories, etc. Every bit of time saved in dealing with your environment rather than the actual programming problem at hand is very valuable nowadays. Remember software has always been about raising productivity, not just of an industry but of the developer himself. Eventually we'll look back on programmers using text editors and rsync for development and deployment the same way we look at people developing software in Pascal and BASIC.
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Wouldn't virtual machine basically do the same thing? I've taken some classes where teacher gave us an image where everything was already installed and configured. Everything went smoothly. However, Cloud9 is much more convenient since it runs entirely on browser but VM solution could work in case C9 discontinues its free tier.
One of these days we'll have fast enough Internet speeds in the U.S. that remote VMs will work (nicely). We're definitely not there yet.
What, you've never sshed into a remote machine?
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#136Earlier quoted context omitted.
Wouldn't virtual machine basically do the same thing? I've taken some classes where teacher gave us an image where everything was already installed and configured. Everything went smoothly. However, Cloud9 is much more convenient since it runs entirely on browser but VM solution could work in case C9 discontinues its free tier.
One of these days we'll have fast enough Internet speeds in the U.S. that remote VMs will work (nicely). We're definitely not there yet.
The nicest thing about Cloud9 is being open source you can install it on your own hardware so those VMs don't have to be remote.
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> If something is quick to learn, by definition there can't be much substance to it. That's as wrong as 2+2=5.
> > If something is quick to learn, by definition there can't be much substance to it. > That's as wrong as 2+2=5. If something can be quickly learnt, then it can't have been too different from what one already knows: i.e., the diff between HEAD & HEAD~1 is relatively small. But small diffs don't do much. Emacs has a gentle but very long learning curve: it's quick to pick up (quicker than vi!) because it does have so…
As someone that's tried many times to learn Emacs, I found Vim's basic features a lot easier to pick up.
I think that may be because all the mode changes are single keys, rather than Emacs, where I constantly have to ask things like "Okay, was it control, alt, meta, or some combination + S to save my file?"
Vim does the : command line thing, but it's an actual command line, with editing, rather than a series of hotkeys.
This annoys me because I'd really like to learn Emacs. It seems you can live in it - but the learning curve is hardly gentle.
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#138I thought for a second Amazon is getting into the esports business. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud9_(eSports)
I don't understand e-sports teams. They're not representative of a geographical region and a "team" can actually have players on multiple games. It's like if the New York Yankees were just the Yankees and also played football, soccer and basketball. I don't understand the convention for how spectators are intended to root for a team. I get that this thing in regular sports for rooting for the team closes to you is ar…
> I don't understand e-sports teams. They're not representative of a geographical region ... I don't understand the convention for how spectators are intended to root for a team.
That isn't an e-sports specific phenomenon though. Maybe it's the case more with US sports teams, but in something like football/soccer you have teams like Manchester United that have a massive global brand that is attractive to people in multiple countries and may have zero connection to Manchester or England as a whole. People in other countries will choose a team at some point based on specific players they like, a certain style of play, or even who their friends/family are already rooting for. Formula 1 likewise is also just a pure battle of the brands. Pick a team, follow it closely, and cheer for them.
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#139Oh. Not the esports organization.
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