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Body count rises as Philippines president calls for drug addicts to be killed

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Post by meira »

thomasfoster96 wrote: post #273
meira wrote: post #269

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People supporting Trump (right wing), people supporting Bernie Sanders (left wing) and BLM (both) don't agree with this. But yeah, you have a great piece of America's population that got a lot from this world-wide regime.

If you're calling the political system in the United States a 'regime', then both Sanders (as a legislator) and Trump (as a member of both parties and donor) are both a part of it. Both Sanders and Trump support the American political system as much as Clinton.

Both are part of the regime, but people that support them do it because they don't feel included in the political system.

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Post by noobermin »

meira wrote: post #206
thomasfoster96 wrote: post #139

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> Thomas, you may not not realise you have just written a one line thesis for the justification of colonialism. > "You brutes have no idea to run a society. We'll come show you how" And you've just proved my point about democracy and human rights being dismissed as Western colonialism. What's your alternative to democracy and human rights? A dictatorship that can have anyone it dislikes executed? Colonialism might ha…

Let's get to some definitions here. Is a country democratic if it has local elections and at the same time segreggate their own and drone other nations - while removing democratically elected presidents ?

To be fair, he is referring specifically to a liberal democracy, which isn't just "democratic".

By the way, I hope you realize this borders Ad Hominem. Does the US have it's issues that it needs to solve? Yes. Does that somehow void out argument that extrajudicial killings are okay? No.

As many others have pointed out, the difference is you have BLM here and Atlantic articles that point out drone strikes publishing in the US, and there is some movement (although, not as rapid as many of us would wish for) on the ground to make things better. With extrajudicial killings, it seems reasonable to assume that if there will be evil, it can be easily covered up by the powers that be, labeling critics as drugees and moving on.

One of the things about the West and the US is that you even hear about our ills and evils, while countries like China and Russia stiffle criticizing voices within their own populace. That gives the appearance of "hypocrisy" while to me, it is more like evidence of a freedom of press that we should be proud of.

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Post by kimmshibal »

oblio wrote: post #180
kimmshibal wrote: post #67

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Why you say they will kill random stranger? They kill an addict. Prisons don't have space anymore because gov don't have budget. You are welcome to go to my country and get mug by them. Your view will change.

Who will verify that the person they killed is truly an addict and not the CEO of a company competing with the killer's company or the killer's wife secret lover? There's a reason each country has an official justice system.

are you fucking stupid? An addict doesn't look like ceo.

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Post by wbl »

OoTheNigerian wrote: post #97
thomasfoster96 wrote: post #75

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> The fact is, you do not get radical progress pandering to western styled hypocritical democracy or "human rights". It the reality. A harsh one. So what's the progress towards then? A totalitarian dictatorship that murders people? That's hardly progress of any sort. I'm quite happy to stay on my high horse if that means arguing for the rule of law and basic decency, both things which Duterte has thrown out the windo…

>It's a stupid, petty argument that is continuously peddled by figures in non-Western countries as a justification for doing whatever they like. Thomas, you may not not realise you have just written a one line thesis for the justification of colonialism. "You brutes have no idea to run a society. We'll come show you how" Of course, you most likely do not think in such nasty terms however, that is the translation. You…

How many widows are alive in India today because of the British?

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Post by waterphone »

xerophyte12932 wrote: post #64
abpavel wrote: post #9

So, I can kill anyone and claim they were an addict? Who is going to prove me otherwise? It's dissapointing that people see this as something to do with drugs, while in reality it's just a green light for a killing frenzy.

That was my first thought as well, but then I realized normal people aren't just waiting with stow away guns waiting for the day they can go on a killing frenzy. The type who are like that are possibly connected to drug as wells (as either addicts or part of the criminal machine) which means they are more likely to go into hiding lest they be killed themselves. Yes, maybe some murderers will slip under the radar, but…

30 deaths in 4 days.

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Post by smarks »

Lingster wrote: post #141
smarks wrote: post #30

How long until Trump says something like, "He's a bad guy -- really bad guy. But you know what he did well? He killed drug dealers. He did that so good. They didn't read them the rights. They didn't talk. They were pushers. Over."

Good work. I heard it in his voice! Is there a generator or something?

No generator. I just took Trump's quote about Saddam Hussein and terrorists and changed a few key words.

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Post by fsloth »

jacquesm wrote: post #182
fsloth wrote: post #98

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Violence seldom leads to anything productive. Crime at the level in Philippines is not there because there are a few bad apples. It's because there are structural reasons which drive crime. Sadly, in Philippines case the only method to put a permanent end on the crimelords would be to petition legalization of drugs in UN.

From TFA: > He (the new president) placed trust and confidence in friends and acquaintances who are outsiders of the traditional power and social blocs. That's one of the structural reasons right there.

I'm not savvy enough in philippine daily matters to figure out if that's a plus or minus. One could also describe many coups that way.

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Post by simonh »

ehnto wrote: post #136
simonh wrote: post #82

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I'm sure if the entire country was heavily armed and bullets were handed out like sweets the situation would calm right down very quickly. The US arms industry would be happy to provide them with a nice bulk discount.

You seem very sure and I can't think of why you imagine this would work. Give everyone a license to kill, give everyone a gun, and after that you think everything would just sort itself out? Do you believe that only the right people will survive and then everything will be fine? Absolutely no risk of a violent degradation into chaos, looting, riots?

I've never liked using /sarcasm tags, but I have to concede they are sometimes necessary. Unbelievable as I find it, some people really do think that way.

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Post by restalis »

xerophyte12932 wrote: post #64
abpavel wrote: post #9

So, I can kill anyone and claim they were an addict? Who is going to prove me otherwise? It's dissapointing that people see this as something to do with drugs, while in reality it's just a green light for a killing frenzy.

That was my first thought as well, but then I realized normal people aren't just waiting with stow away guns waiting for the day they can go on a killing frenzy. The type who are like that are possibly connected to drug as wells (as either addicts or part of the criminal machine) which means they are more likely to go into hiding lest they be killed themselves. Yes, maybe some murderers will slip under the radar, but…

"then I realized normal people aren't just waiting with stow away guns waiting for the day they can go on a killing frenzy"

No, it seems that unknowingly, the "normal people" were waiting for the people with guns, and all of them together were waiting the right time, which is now!

"Only 30 deaths over the country (that's no killing frenzy) and 952 people have surrendered to the authorities. I'd say it's working"

Who gives you the figures? As I understand, the president's opposing figures, including journalists, were targets for some time already! ...for being drug dealers or addicts, allegedly. It's safe to assume that the ones that left to live have to really impress the president with their reporting.

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