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Body count rises as Philippines president calls for drug addicts to be killed

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Re: Body count rises as Philippines president calls for drug addicts to be killed

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Post by caf »

jister wrote: post #172
jacquesm wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, I'm just making the point that we have a judicial process because merely claiming someone is a criminal should not be enough to get them killed. OP is anonymous so I didn't see any harm in this. I don't use drugs, don't drink (pretty boring person here). > And this also brings up another question, what counts as a drug? Well, it's simple: that's the stuff the person you just killed was selling to your nephew thre…

Those related to drugs were killed during a buy-bust operation. And yes, there is judicial process but people will read more if the media highlights and writes about "extrajudicial killing" instead.

Right, the guy that was found shot to death with a sign on him saying "I am a Chinese drug lord" was definitely killed as part of a completely-above-board judicial process.

Re: Body count rises as Philippines president calls for drug addicts to be killed

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Post by jacquesm »

fsloth wrote: post #98
OoTheNigerian wrote: post #43

As usual, mostly western commentators sitting on their high horses pointing and pontificating with no idea of local context or understanding. First of all, Duterte was elected overwhelmingly with a clear mandate of using brute violence to clear out drug dealers. He was clear about it and he is delivering on that mandate. I have to accept, he has made a PR error by not calling them terrorists. At which point, he will…

Violence seldom leads to anything productive. Crime at the level in Philippines is not there because there are a few bad apples. It's because there are structural reasons which drive crime. Sadly, in Philippines case the only method to put a permanent end on the crimelords would be to petition legalization of drugs in UN.

From TFA:

> He (the new president) placed trust and confidence in friends and acquaintances who are outsiders of the traditional power and social blocs.

That's one of the structural reasons right there.

Re: Body count rises as Philippines president calls for drug addicts to be killed

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Post by jacquesm »

guelo wrote: post #18

Philippines is a corrupt mess at all levels of society. The electorate is desperate and has opted for a ruthless strongman after decades of disappointments. They say Mussolini made the trains run on time.

> He (the president) placed trust and confidence in friends and acquaintances who are outsiders of the traditional power and social blocs.

It looks like that is not about to change.

Re: Body count rises as Philippines president calls for drug addicts to be killed

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Post by jister »

lostlogin wrote: post #175
jister wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those related to drugs were killed during a buy-bust operation. And yes, there is judicial process but people will read more if the media highlights and writes about "extrajudicial killing" instead.

Can we assume the same rules will be applied to the whole population? Or will it just be applied to "them"?

There is judicial process to all.

Re: Body count rises as Philippines president calls for drug addicts to be killed

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Post by jister »

caf wrote: post #181
jister wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those related to drugs were killed during a buy-bust operation. And yes, there is judicial process but people will read more if the media highlights and writes about "extrajudicial killing" instead.

Right, the guy that was found shot to death with a sign on him saying "I am a Chinese drug lord" was definitely killed as part of a completely-above-board judicial process.

He wasn't shot by the cops so that means he could be shot by THE BOSS, vigilante or his partner. Who knows...

Re: Body count rises as Philippines president calls for drug addicts to be killed

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Post by type0 »

cocotino wrote: post #113
jacquesm wrote: post #103

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And killing a large number of people is going to turn the country into a civilized place with police protection? If you're not safe in your own homes because of the drug lords you don't have a drug lord problem, you have a law enforcement problem and a corruption issue. Civilization does not magically arrive by killing a large number of people (and probably plenty of them innocent).

History has proven that doing away with all the uncivilised people makes a society better. When the uncivilised people control a large amount of money, they control the power, and there's simply no hope of just fixing corruption as you propose. I think what this guy is proposing will prove to be a good idea with time, and you have his time as a mayor as an example. Even if a few innocents die. To make an omelette you…

Stop trolling already!

Re: Body count rises as Philippines president calls for drug addicts to be killed

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Post by cornholio »

OoTheNigerian wrote: post #176
restalis wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Are you/your ways superior to the people that voted him to do EXACTLY what he is doing?" Yes, people might have supported him to get results in a serious matter, but people did not (and neither they had the competence to) specify the details. Could he instead tell the masses to rattle out the drug dealers and the junkies so the law enforcement could apprehended them for future trials? No, here was a call for mass mu…

He was clear with his methods BEFORE electios https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/may/09/philippines-el... Not the usual bait and switch. Like was pointed out, drug dealers are free to surrender. And some have done so. http://news.abs-cbn.com/news/07/09/16/thousands-of-drug-push... My own gripe is pontification of the west when it comes to the business of other countries.

West has all the right to "pontification" since only the West has thus far delivered a high standard of living coupled with respect for human rights.

There are no shortcuts, there is no magic authoritarian fairy dus you can apply and leapfrog the West, we have tried it all and it always ended in disaster. We have seen time and time again, both in our societies and in the developing world, that authoritarianism is self-sustaining and despite initial success will always lead to reduced political competition and an economic and social standstill.

You can do whatever you like in your countries and vote madmen, but we will always condemn such moves, we will always refuse to abed them and we will were always proved right. The cry of colonialism is exactly what these mad men need to stay in power and you are uneducated enough to fall for it.

Re: Body count rises as Philippines president calls for drug addicts to be killed

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Post by philliphaydon »

electic wrote: post #16

> During the campaign, Duterte said 100,000 people would die in his crackdown, with so many dead bodies dumped in Manila Bay that fish there would grow fat from feeding on them. This isn't a joke. This is real. What a sick bastard.

I live in Singapore. There are 1000s of Filipino's in Singapore, during the election 1000s of Filipino's flew back just to vote for him.

They really want their country cleaned up. Have you ever been there. His city before he cleaned it up, you could not safely walk down the streets, you would be stabbed in broad daylight. Now you can safely walk down the streets at night without being mugged.

Call him sick all you want, guy is bloody awesome from where I'm standing.

Re: Body count rises as Philippines president calls for drug addicts to be killed

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Post by collyw »

jacquesm wrote: post #24
johnhaltonx wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

well you're right, but as a side note multiple US presidents have authorized target killings in an undeclared war in countrys that are not part of this "war" with civil casualties .... and both got reelected .... I'm from germany, we're helping because our government does nothing in stopping the use of Rammstein Airbase as drone satellite uplink. So we are also partly responsible. :( food for thought

That's true but besides the point. Imagine Obama, Bush or Clinton calling on national TV for the killing of all drug addicts and pushers. > I'm from germany, we're helping because our government does nothing in stopping the use of Rammstein Airbase as drone satellite uplink. So we are also partly responsible. :( > food for thought Definitely, but totally OT.

I could see Trump saying that.

Re: Body count rises as Philippines president calls for drug addicts to be killed

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Post by etatoby »

guelo wrote: post #18

Philippines is a corrupt mess at all levels of society. The electorate is desperate and has opted for a ruthless strongman after decades of disappointments. They say Mussolini made the trains run on time.

In Japan they run on time too, because if they don't, the conductors commit Seppuku (or quit the job in shame) by their own choice.

So progress and a functioning society is possible without coercing or scaring people into obedience. What is needed is a cultural shift and it can only start from the schools. If you look at the Japanese school system, every other aspect of their society becomes an obvious consequence.

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