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How we're scammed into eating phony food

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Re: How we're scammed into eating phony food

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> I don't want to call you out for exaggerating, but you are approaching exaggeration by orders of magnitude. A mars bar is under 300 calories. I was making a general point. It is easier to stop eating than to lose weight by exercise. Much easier. Also mars bars have been undergoing food inflation. It's another sinister conspiracy we can actually prove is real. They used to be about 1/3 bigger. The world around you s…

>I was making a general point. It is easier to stop eating than to lose weight by exercise. Much easier. Now, I've been overweight on and off for much of my adult life, and... that hasn't been my experience. In my experience, if I want to stop gaining I need to cut out sweets and sodas, and that takes some effort and will, but I feel okay replacing my mountain dew with carbonated water and tea. I would classify that…

> In my experience, if I want to stop gaining I need to cut out sweets and sodas, and that takes some effort and will, but I feel okay replacing my mountain dew with carbonated water and tea.

I do the exact same thing! I get absurdly cheap sparkling water and leave it chill in fridge. Sometimes I add crystal light lemon or cherry.

> I have successfully gotten down to a normal BMI this way, but if that's how being thin feels, I don't really see the point.

Sure but a chocolate bar just tastes incredible if you haven't had one for a long time. I think sweets are much harder to kick than fats.

> I ran a lot when I was thin, but as a fat person, trying to run enough to stress the cardiovascular system properly usually resulted in minor injuries that prevented me from running often enough to get into shape

Don't bother running! Walking is shown in study after study to make you more creative. Better yet walk in a forest (maybe you saw the plant research thread?). A mysterious journey in the brain happens when physically walking.

> if you really believe that man is an incredibly efficient machine, well, you probably have not seen me engage in any sort of sport.

Take a look at hurling. It's like a sport found in Harry Potter but without broomsticks.

I think it is worth improving physical coordination abilities. You might be bad at it but improving in weak areas should improve seemingly unrelated areas in your brain. Even if it didn't, you will live longer.

> I personally have a goal of 5 hours a week of intense (read: I'm dripping with perspiration) cardio every week.

Trust me, you're the 1%. Your gym's existence depends on the fact.

Re: How we're scammed into eating phony food

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I had the same effect, moving to japan. It's insane how much better the food is here, compared to Australia.

what food is better in Japan (part form sushi)? curious ozzy.

Sorry I've been busy, havnt had a chance to respond.

In general I find it much easier to access fresh, healthy food here (711 has fresh sandwiches and onigiri every day, as do all convenience stores).

I find the culture is more to healthy food, we will go out and more often than not eat thinks like claybpot or shabushabu (both have lots of vegetables, and very few additives or flavour enhancers).

Soft drink isn't as popular, ill more often see someone drinking brown or green tea fr a vending machine, than a coke or other sugary drink.

As for specific foods. . . I wouldn't know where to start, aside from a certain fermented bean(sorry the name escapes me at the moment), I'm in love with everything food wise here.

The summer festivals have some amazing noodles, chicken skewers and more.

I find as an ex chef the flavours are a lot more subtle(when it comes to overpowering the natural flavour of the ingredient), so the focus there is a nice surprise for me.

Re: How we're scammed into eating phony food

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Additionally, most Australians (don't know about the rest of the world) have never eaten an actual scallop. Mostly they're discs hole-punched from skate wings (a skate's a bit like a stingray)

Here in New Zealand, most of the time when I get scallops they have the orange egg-sac bit still attached. Is that not the case in Aus?

Sometimes the anonymous white discs will have a bit sliced almost off and coloured with orange food dye. Often not.

You'll see genuine (imported) scallops at markets occasionally, but it's years and years since I saw a restaurant serve the real thing.

Re: How we're scammed into eating phony food

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Additionally, most Australians (don't know about the rest of the world) have never eaten an actual scallop. Mostly they're discs hole-punched from skate wings (a skate's a bit like a stingray)

Australian. Citation please?

See for yourself - like toomanybeersies says, they should have an orange roe (boys and girls both have them - scallops switch sex as required), attached by some stringy material.

The roe has a flavour and texture different to the white meat of the scallop, which is the muscle used to open and close the shell.

The white meat should have a firm and homogeneous texture - fakes tend to have textured lines through them, but not always.

Re: How we're scammed into eating phony food

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>You can never prove that any food is safe beyond a doubt. Ultimately, this. You can test for very, very small numbers, but you can't test for zero. This is why, for example, even though lead has no biological function, extremely small "acceptable levels" are specified in regulations rather than simply saying zero lead. You can prove that, for example, lead levels in the air are less than 0.15 µg/m^3, or that they ar…

> For that reason, it makes no sense to hold GMO food to even higher standards than non-GMO food Normal food has the advantage that we already know it has no disastrous ecological consequences, by virtue of the fact that is has coexisted in its environmental niche for a while. The more food is altered, the less sure we become about that. As Taleb has pointed out, our standards for danger should match the risk/reward…

"The more food is altered, the less sure we become about that."

Except with genetic engineering, by being precise as to how and where the new genes are inserted, we are actually altering it less than with traditional breeding or mutagenics. Those types of breeding have far less testing than transgenics. We can potentially create new genes with those older methods that have never existed before and never know about it.

This is something that taleb was criticised for by biologists and geneticists (and basically his reply was "that they are idiots", yup, great argument).

"Normal food has the advantage that we already know it has no disastrous ecological consequences".

There is no such thing as normal food: Take the sweet potato. It has been altered transgenically using the agrobacterium twice in its history without human intervention. The agrobacterium is the same bacteria used when doing transgenic GMO. Basically nature beat us to it a long time ago when it comes to transgenics.

You can breed a potato the old fashion way to contain high level of solanine (which can be poisonous). Its not how the genes are altered, its what they do that is key.

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