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Hacker News' “Who is Hiring?” thread, part 2, remote and locations

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Of course you will[1][2]. Lots more in Omaha[3] of course, but people underestimate just how widespread programming is. [1] http://python.jobs.net/jobs/lincoln,nebraska.aspx [2] https://www.linkedin.com/jobs/python-jobs-lincoln-ne [3] http://www.indeed.com/q-Python-Developer-l-Nebraska-jobs.htm...

And you move, that job falls through, then what? It's far more comp!ex than you very basic approach.

Actually, I live in Adelaide, Australia. I know quite a lot about the technology industry.

Software gets written in a lot of places.

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I think its a lot more complex than that. If the cost of beef was increased 4x for whatever reason, then most people would just switch their preference for meat. There are ofcourse a lot of greedy companies. But a lot of the time the consumer demands a price point for software product, many startups cannot afford to pay 400K to developers. I think its not a reflection of how difficult it might be to create software b…

I agree with everything you say about the economics of the situation, but ours is the omly industry I know of where inability to make enough money to pay for a sufficient workforce translates into a workforce shortage. A cattle rancher isn't going to compalain about a "ranchhand shortage" if she can't afford to pay enough to attract them.

To be fair, that is literally what a shortage is, economically speaking.

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The complication with the supply/demand story is speculation. What happened pre-2008 was demand was artificially boosted by speculators (i.e. a bubble). The true demand for housing didn’t change much, but the speculative demand for housing driven by rising prices and cheap money increased massively. The downside of all speculative bubbles is when they pop. The best way to avoid speculative run ups in prices (and subs…

You are running into the fallacy that you can know what is a bubble and what is not, before the fact.

Not at all. We know in hindsight that the pre-2008 run up in prices was a bubble, but at the time this was debatable. I am just trying to explain to the OP that prices are set by supply and demand, but that demand may not always be rational.

Personally I do think it is a good idea to try and avoid speculative bubbles in assets and the best way to do this is via taxation.

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Yep, the tired old "Shortage of Engineers" meme is bound to come up in any discussion about tech hiring that ignores compensation. Saying there is a shortage of something in a market only makes sense given a price. Sure, there is probably a shortage of Bay Area engineers if you're paying $70K, but I bet there is no shortage if you're paying $400K.

I think its a lot more complex than that. If the cost of beef was increased 4x for whatever reason, then most people would just switch their preference for meat. There are ofcourse a lot of greedy companies. But a lot of the time the consumer demands a price point for software product, many startups cannot afford to pay 400K to developers. I think its not a reflection of how difficult it might be to create software b…

> many startups cannot afford to pay 400K to developers

It's a good point, but I wouldn't expect a construction company that could only pay 20% of cost to hire cranes to complete many buildings.

So maybe startups in that bracket just aren't viable under their current models. Maybe they need to rethink their salary/equity mix to make up for lack of cash.

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And you move, that job falls through, then what? It's far more comp!ex than you very basic approach.

Actually, I live in Adelaide, Australia. I know quite a lot about the technology industry. Software gets written in a lot of places.

Clearly people are where the jobs are and price pressures respond accordingly. What fuels those price pressures are, IMHO:

1. banks creating near unlimited credit against land which at best eclipses productivity gains leaving workers no better off and rentiers collecting all the gains

2. the rest of the population working out that the game is rigged and piling into real-estate speculation as the only game in town.

I'd have expected someone in a country with a crippling house price bubble in many cities to get this.

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70k is a good salary even in many places within the US, the problem is that the cost of living in SF and NYC makes that salary very hard to live on. Rent in some locations within SF and NYC can meet or exceed 70k.

I get that, it's just so unreal to see these numbers for the same thing as I do. This is a really good reason why remote work is going to level the market. I'm a bit surprised that it's not already around 50% of hires.

What is considered 'good' compensation for a senior developer in Budapest? Have you been turned down for remote work due to where you live?

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Yep, the tired old "Shortage of Engineers" meme is bound to come up in any discussion about tech hiring that ignores compensation. Saying there is a shortage of something in a market only makes sense given a price. Sure, there is probably a shortage of Bay Area engineers if you're paying $70K, but I bet there is no shortage if you're paying $400K.

Compensation has nothing to do with "shortage of engineers". Engineers have to come from somewhere, and the only way higher compensation can bring more engineers is by competing with other industries or regions. It's not like engineers prefer living on social welfare to an underpaid engineering job.

I'll address this one, see also vostok's comment below. I know plenty of former engineers and other super-smart technical people who wrote software for years but left because they hit the salary ceiling. They would go BACK to software engineering in a heartbeat if there was a compensation trajectory that matched their current jobs.

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Why do you talk about ivy league graduates? Honestly, the degree is completely irrelevant. If you're a good developer living in Europe and/or the US, you can command $200k-400k a year (often as a consultant) doing specialised work. Plenty of companies are comfortable paying a day rate of $2000-5000 for someone who can deliver results. Not always super easy to get the work, but doable.

I think that the common US conception of education value and pedigree is a function of the high sticker costs and some romantic notion of meritocracy. Seriously, I work for a US company in Europe, and am massively surprised (and disconcerted) by the fixation on where someone went to school. We had an awesome candidate a few months back, did 4 interviews with us, aced them all, and one of the final interviewers (US-ba…

Some businesses extract value from an employee based on how impressive-seeming that person is on paper. This happens a lot in consulting, finance, law, arts, academia, corporate business administration and politics. In these domains, status and affiliation are very important, generally vastly more important than actual productivity. Since these fields are also associated with things like wealth, elite status, access to private clubs and opportunities, being a sought after relationship partner, etc., it glamorizes them and by extension glamorizes the path necessary to get to them -- typically either happening to come from a well-connected family or else attending an "elite" school and succeeding in networking there.

Effects like this snowball. So once a school is known for producing graduates that others are desperate to affiliate with in a certain field, like say art or law, then impressive people from other fields may be drawn to work there, like an excellent professor of computer science who thereby actually does elevate the level of education granted to computer science graduates, making graduates into the sorts of people that tech companies want to get on-paper for acqui-hires because acquirers will want to affiliate with them.

One general trend I see in humanity is that the more that we advance a sort of scientific and rational understanding of the world -- something that should supplant most of these systems of credential -- the more that human politics is used to build Dutch book-like circumstances in which, no matter what the outcome, impressive-seeming-ness and competition to affiliate with "fancy" people will continue to be the dominant manner of achieving wealth and autonomy.

To be clear, even though I attended an Ivy school, I find this lamentable. I did not enjoy my time there and feel basically how Mike Reiss feels. But at the same time, I also see all the banter on Hacker News about how the degree doesn't matter and I just roll my eyes. What is it that people think? That something like HackerRank or TripleByte are going to democratize tech hiring? Please. They will be (and already are being) used as just additional tools in the political toolbox to allow people to make up whatever arbitrary standards they desire for the sake of favoring candidates based on political reasons.

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This is a wildly exaggerated calculation. I make roughly around 300k and my effective taxes (both Fed and State combined) was 28%. I also have daughter and she goes to daycare that costs me $1200/month. I also own a 5 bedroom 2800 sqft house in East Bay, that costed me around a million bucks and the mortgage is around 3500 including insurance and property taxes

That can't be correct. The nominal tax rate for 300K is 33%: http://www.efile.com/tax-service/tax-calculator/tax-brackets... California also has the highest State to Federal tax ratio which is around ~ 10% for what you describe. So your number are way off. http://www.bankrate.com/finance/taxes/state-taxes-california...

Mortgage deduction, property tax deduction, child credits, business expenses, charity deduction, medical expense deduction, child care deduction. Also, the entire state taxes is deducted.

Re: Hacker News' “Who is Hiring?” thread, part 2, remote and locations

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This is a wildly exaggerated calculation. I make roughly around 300k and my effective taxes (both Fed and State combined) was 28%. I also have daughter and she goes to daycare that costs me $1200/month. I also own a 5 bedroom 2800 sqft house in East Bay, that costed me around a million bucks and the mortgage is around 3500 including insurance and property taxes

My 300k is 1/3 in private stock options which may not actually become money for another 5yrs, if ever. They don't accept it in exchange for homes and my 200k income isn't enough to buy a home, esp given there is a mass layoff every 7yrs. House prices go up more than the down payment I save each year so I get further from owning a home. Oh, and the east bay is about 2hrs fro SF so I'd never see my kids even if I bough…

East bay is 2 hrs from SF ?? Oakland ?
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