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UK scientists dropped from EU projects because of post-Brexit funding fears
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Re: UK scientists dropped from EU projects because of post-Brexit funding fears
#142Earlier quoted context omitted.
The UK can negotiate deals before exit, just under EU law it can't sign them. However, why obey EU rules when you're about to leave? The only reason to do this would be to leave on good terms. But the EU sees Brexit as a betrayal that must be punished severely to try and scare other countries into not leaving. There are no "good terms" by their choice, not the UK's. So the UK should start immediately violating whatev…
The EU is a huge group of people with a huge range of opinions on Brexit. It's not clear at all that the EU will try to inflict as much damage as possible. It wouldn't be a very good idea either because that would hurt the EU as well. There's almost certainly going to be a compromise of some kind. I doubt any trade agreements the UK might be able to get, would be worth the backlash of turning the EU into an enemy. Es…
I wish I could agree. For me to agree I'd have to believe the people who control the EU are representative of the people they rule and are willing to compromise.
However they have already shown very clearly that they aren't like that. Given the total absence of compromise previously I see no reason to expect any now, unless quite a few of the current leaders of the Commission and EU countries are removed.
The EU will use whatever tactics it can to preserve its own power, national populations be damned.
Re: UK scientists dropped from EU projects because of post-Brexit funding fears
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> Greece/Italy/Spain/Portugual are destroying German and British wealth Just wait and see what "destroying wealth" means. England gave up on producing food during the Industrial Revolution, gave up on imperial colonialism after WWII and gave up on manufacturing after Thatcher. Now it is giving up on the services economy. It will be interesting to see what comes out of it. Edit: Britain is not a paragon of fiscal resp…
How is the UK giving up on the services economy?
There's plenty of evidence, the finance industry has been sounding loud alarms for some time.
But the very fact that you ask is an evidence that people are deliberately deaf to them. So, the best answer I can give you is "wait and you'll see".
Re: UK scientists dropped from EU projects because of post-Brexit funding fears
#144Earlier quoted context omitted.
The UK can negotiate deals before exit, just under EU law it can't sign them. However, why obey EU rules when you're about to leave? The only reason to do this would be to leave on good terms. But the EU sees Brexit as a betrayal that must be punished severely to try and scare other countries into not leaving. There are no "good terms" by their choice, not the UK's. So the UK should start immediately violating whatev…
"Can we be sure you're going to stick to this trade agreement?" "Why would you think we wouldn't?" "You're breaking your treaty with the EU."
When that treaty is merely "you cannot sign trade deals" I don't think people signing trade deals would care. That rule exists for the EU's benefit, not for the benefit of member states.
Re: UK scientists dropped from EU projects because of post-Brexit funding fears
#145I just finished an EU funded CompSci Masters degree in Wales, the poorest country in the UK and it's devastatingly sad to think that once the EU research funding stops, those opportunities will be gone forever for future students coming through the department. There aren't enough large tech companies in the area for there to be any sponsored degrees available, which probably means that when the funding finishes, the…
The UK is a net payer to the EU. For instance in 2015 alone, UK's net payment to the EU was about 8.5 billion pounds. So after the Brexit there will be more than enough money to continue the research funding. But as you mention already, it is another question if the government will be wanting to pay it. But is this really such a bad thing? The difference will that instead of the EU, the UK itself will decide which of…
I believe this is wrong for two reasons.
Some projects are only viable at a super-national level, either because of cost or resources (such as access to specialised technical centres in other countries or a wider level of expertise). Brexit doesn't stop the UK contributing to such projects but it does make it significantly more difficult by withdrawing from the established structures in place.
The other reason is that much of the net cost to the EU involves paying for the common legal and political platform that makes international trade much easier. It may superficially seem that the UK will save money but in practice it is highly likely (and according to a strong consensus of international experts) that removing access to these structures will have a strongly negative impact on the UK's trade. This is likely to be very bad for UK science.
Re: UK scientists dropped from EU projects because of post-Brexit funding fears
#146Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Not only will the EU trade treaty need to be renegotiated, but so does the 50 other trade treaty with other nations - those treaties took a lot of time and over 600+ negotiators to write, the UK only have 30 negotiators and about 2 years. The UK hasn't done their own trade negotiations for over 30 years. The EU has. They haven't got the right people with the right experience to do this (yet). They need to hire the…
I think it was BBC that said that UK government has literally just 6(yes, six) people who have any sort of experience in international trade negotiations, since UK hasn't done it alone in so long.
Even the government believes it will take six years to renegotiate the deals - which means it's likely to take ten or more.
This continues to be one of the most suicidal moves in British history.
Re: UK scientists dropped from EU projects because of post-Brexit funding fears
#147Earlier quoted context omitted.
The EU is a huge group of people with a huge range of opinions on Brexit. It's not clear at all that the EU will try to inflict as much damage as possible. It wouldn't be a very good idea either because that would hurt the EU as well. There's almost certainly going to be a compromise of some kind. I doubt any trade agreements the UK might be able to get, would be worth the backlash of turning the EU into an enemy. Es…
I wish I could agree. For me to agree I'd have to believe the people who control the EU are representative of the people they rule and are willing to compromise. However they have already shown very clearly that they aren't like that. Given the total absence of compromise previously I see no reason to expect any now, unless quite a few of the current leaders of the Commission and EU countries are removed. The EU will…
The EU has compromised, especially with the UK, on a lot of things.
Re: UK scientists dropped from EU projects because of post-Brexit funding fears
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I'm not saying that countries should or should not get out of the EU. I would just like to see some concrete evidences of Greece/Italy/Spain/Portugal on destroying German and British wealth.
You're setting a standard that can't be met by anyone. Any "concrete evidence" would have to provide concrete evidence of a hypothetical. But it isn't that bizarre of an idea that Germany could be better off if it wasn't tied to much weaker economies through a shared currency. Of course the problem here is that the situation is so large you can find not-quite-concrete evidence for almost any proposition.
Agreed, there is no "concrete evidence" and no way of supporting any of the sides. But let's just imagine for a while, what if it would be the exact same opposite?
Who helps richest countries go richer? How can a country grow if there is no decrease somewhere else? Maybe a greater profit if you don't need to pay for a different currency?
Edit: With help I mean get cheap labour, cheap goods, cheap rent and even being able to sell in that country's market and export abroad.
Re: UK scientists dropped from EU projects because of post-Brexit funding fears
#149Earlier quoted context omitted.
The UK is a net payer to the EU. For instance in 2015 alone, UK's net payment to the EU was about 8.5 billion pounds. So after the Brexit there will be more than enough money to continue the research funding. But as you mention already, it is another question if the government will be wanting to pay it. But is this really such a bad thing? The difference will that instead of the EU, the UK itself will decide which of…
That's assuming tax revenue remains the same, which all economists agree will not be the case. Whether or not Brexit will boost public finances is entirely down to how much of an impact it'll have on the UK economy. No one knows what the impact will be, but almost everyone agrees that it will be negative... though no one agrees to what extent. So there's really two questions here: a) just how much more/less public mo…
" That's assuming tax revenue remains the same, which ALL economists agree will not be the case. "
Jesus, am I reading this ? Talk about a bubble. You may read other publications than HN to widen your views.
I love when american IT people try to teach nations who were around since more than a thousand year. Really, love it. Go ahead and tell us EU was a chance for Greece. Guys, there is more in life that the dollar, there is the people, culture, religions and traditions. Except a bundh of depressed unsocialized hypsters, nobody in his mind is ready to give that away for a global market of consumership, WE DO NOT CARE, WE LIVE. The european way of life is not all about money as the american dream, this is something you'll have to understand for good, and you do not have to impose your materialist vision of the world to every country of this planet, especially with bombs and firing drones.
I said.
Re: UK scientists dropped from EU projects because of post-Brexit funding fears
#150Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Not only will the EU trade treaty need to be renegotiated, but so does the 50 other trade treaty with other nations - those treaties took a lot of time and over 600+ negotiators to write, the UK only have 30 negotiators and about 2 years. The UK hasn't done their own trade negotiations for over 30 years. The EU has. They haven't got the right people with the right experience to do this (yet). They need to hire the…
The EU has done an extremely bad job of signing trade deals. Much smaller countries have managed to do a much better job. I wouldn't look at the EU and say "we need the same setup" because the EU deliberately makes it hard for itself to sign deals by insisting that they try to satisfy 28 different countries simultaneously, who don't use the same language and which all have their own random domestic priorities to hand…
Could you provide some examples of countries striking better trade deals.
Its also two things negotiators and knowing your strengths.
The world's best negotiators wont be able help you very much if you do not have much to offer.
Also I am skeptical of your assertion that anyone could write trade deals. It requires a very deep understanding of economics, international finance, geopolitics and a bunch of other topics - I would say being able to be a good trade negotiator is a lot more difficult than being a programmer and has far more profound consequences.