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Tesla Autopilot Crash: Why We Should Worry About a Single Death

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Re: Tesla Autopilot Crash: Why We Should Worry About a Single Death

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Admittedly I didn't finish the entire article, but the point regarding blind and disabled people being killed seems like a strawman to me? Tesla never intended people who couldn't otherwise drive to use autopilot, so I don't know what lessons we can draw from this in that regard.

Re: Tesla Autopilot Crash: Why We Should Worry About a Single Death

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Article argues, "autopilot could let people who are blind and disabled drive now, where they couldn't drive before. but they could never get killed in a car accident while driving before, so this is ethically questionable."

Article's logic is dumber than a sack of hair.

Re: Tesla Autopilot Crash: Why We Should Worry About a Single Death

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Oh god, a deontic argument for slowing down self-driving cars. Yes, we choose to let several people die every day by not spending every available dollar on healthcare. Even then, we would have to decide where the large but still limited budget would be invested. There's no pure white way to get out of consequentialism. Might as well accept it and work with it rather than shutting your ears and singing la-la-la.

Sorry for the rant, for those that care for a reasoned argument along the lines of the above, Scott says it better than I ever could -- http://raikoth.net/consequentialism.html

Re: Tesla Autopilot Crash: Why We Should Worry About a Single Death

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Article argues, "autopilot could let people who are blind and disabled drive now, where they couldn't drive before. but they could never get killed in a car accident while driving before, so this is ethically questionable." Article's logic is dumber than a sack of hair.

Summed up by the author's question "Would we really accept higher statistical safety, if that came with new risks and accident types that we could easily avoid today?"

Who would say no to this?

Re: Tesla Autopilot Crash: Why We Should Worry About a Single Death

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We should worry because of the blurred responsibility. Have you ever seen large company responsible for death? This is how it works, you will die and there will be nobody responsible for this.

Tesla is not safe car, it is as safe as Honda Civic, with ~40 deaths per million cars. Do the math if you don't believe me.

Re: Tesla Autopilot Crash: Why We Should Worry About a Single Death

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Article argues, "autopilot could let people who are blind and disabled drive now, where they couldn't drive before. but they could never get killed in a car accident while driving before, so this is ethically questionable." Article's logic is dumber than a sack of hair.

Yep, they still couldn't drive because they could never obtain a valid drivers license. Blind & Disabled people can be killed in crashes right now when they're passengers.

Re: Tesla Autopilot Crash: Why We Should Worry About a Single Death

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Article argues, "autopilot could let people who are blind and disabled drive now, where they couldn't drive before. but they could never get killed in a car accident while driving before, so this is ethically questionable." Article's logic is dumber than a sack of hair.

The article is just responding to the level of intelligence of arguments saying we should all soon stop driving and have automated driving everywhere.

I am all for self driving cars, but the common statistical argument (lower number of deaths than humans) for them is just silly for a number of reasons.

Re: Tesla Autopilot Crash: Why We Should Worry About a Single Death

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Article argues, "autopilot could let people who are blind and disabled drive now, where they couldn't drive before. but they could never get killed in a car accident while driving before, so this is ethically questionable." Article's logic is dumber than a sack of hair.

I was expecting an ieee.org article to point out that Tesla's statistics were rather misleading. Instead, we got that. Well, that was a thing, I guess.

Re: Tesla Autopilot Crash: Why We Should Worry About a Single Death

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Article argues, "autopilot could let people who are blind and disabled drive now, where they couldn't drive before. but they could never get killed in a car accident while driving before, so this is ethically questionable." Article's logic is dumber than a sack of hair.

Summed up by the author's question "Would we really accept higher statistical safety, if that came with new risks and accident types that we could easily avoid today?" Who would say no to this?

Anybody who fears the unknown, which is most people.
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