My grandmother got intoxicated by the oil. She got super sick but recovered completely. She´s been receiving a pension since as compensation.
The Spanish cooking oil scandal (2001)
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Re: The Spanish cooking oil scandal (2001)
#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Just like that the symptoms supposedly caused by the "Zika virus" is more likely to be a result from food by contaminated by pesticides/herbicides. You're making a claim here that pretty radically departs from scientific consensus. Do you have any background information on where you read this/how you determined this?
Sure (sorry for not backing it up in the first place): http://thefreethoughtproject.com/doctors-groups-deny-microce... Only days after a list of articles claiming no link with pesticides were published, here a link to one of them: http://www.sciencealert.com/argentinian-report-says-monsanto... I'm quite close to some people in academic virology and they also were not to keen on calling for a Zika outbreak.
A study published in The Lancet found a strong connection between Zika and microcephaly in fetuses in French Polynesia
http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-67...
Re: The Spanish cooking oil scandal (2001)
#33It was not a scandal, it was criminal negligence, with lots of victims. My hyphothesis after talking with chemists in the field is that someone reused a container tank for synthetic oil in order to carry rapeseed oil. The rapeseed oil dissolves synthetic oil easily. They probably thought nothing would happen because of ignorance on the part of the man that made it. He probably used water in order to clean the origina…
By introducing such an irrelevant yet controversial topic as palm oil, this comment appears to deliberately attempt to deflect the thrust of the 2001 article: organophospates on tomatoes probably, not contaminated oils of any kind, were responsible for this epidemic.
Re: The Spanish cooking oil scandal (2001)
#34It was not a scandal, it was criminal negligence, with lots of victims. My hyphothesis after talking with chemists in the field is that someone reused a container tank for synthetic oil in order to carry rapeseed oil. The rapeseed oil dissolves synthetic oil easily. They probably thought nothing would happen because of ignorance on the part of the man that made it. He probably used water in order to clean the origina…
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Re: The Spanish cooking oil scandal (2001)
#35My grandmother got intoxicated by the oil. She got super sick but recovered completely. She´s been receiving a pension since as compensation.
Can you find out whether she was induced into claiming it was caused by the oil?
The article claims that victims were only classified as such after they had accepted oil as the cause of their sickness. So they had an incentive to do so.
Re: The Spanish cooking oil scandal (2001)
#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Just like that the symptoms supposedly caused by the "Zika virus" is more likely to be a result from food by contaminated by pesticides/herbicides. You're making a claim here that pretty radically departs from scientific consensus. Do you have any background information on where you read this/how you determined this?
Sure (sorry for not backing it up in the first place): http://thefreethoughtproject.com/doctors-groups-deny-microce... Only days after a list of articles claiming no link with pesticides were published, here a link to one of them: http://www.sciencealert.com/argentinian-report-says-monsanto... I'm quite close to some people in academic virology and they also were not to keen on calling for a Zika outbreak.
OK, you've implied or linked to some significantly different claims here:
1. That there is no Zika outbreak / outbreak of Zika-like symptoms (this seems irrefutably wrong and as far as I know even the typical conspiracy theorist sites aren't claiming this much).
2. That the symptoms of Zika are in fact caused by the organo-phosphate pesticide Pyriproxyfen (Zika has been a recognized viral illness just like others e.g. Dengue for at least 50 years, predating the widepread use of organo-phosphates in Brazil, so this also is very, very unlikely).
3. That the microencephaly in babies borne to mothers with Zika, that is being attributed to the Zika virus, is in fact caused by Pyriproxyfen (for epidemiological reasons [1], this seems very unlikely but it cannot be ruled out at this point).
By the way, your second source didn't seem terribly bad, and assumed an appropriate amount of skepticism toward the claims in question. Your first source, written by an "political analyst" currently pursuing a global affairs degree, and with no apparent scientific credentials, wasn't as convincing.
Are any of the academic virologists you're referring to on public record with their skepticism about the Zika outbreak?
1. In the three cities reporting the most cases — Recife, Jaboatao and Paulista — pyriproxyfen is not in use, according to: http://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2016/02/18/46713891....
Re: The Spanish cooking oil scandal (2001)
#37It was not a scandal, it was criminal negligence, with lots of victims. My hyphothesis after talking with chemists in the field is that someone reused a container tank for synthetic oil in order to carry rapeseed oil. The rapeseed oil dissolves synthetic oil easily. They probably thought nothing would happen because of ignorance on the part of the man that made it. He probably used water in order to clean the origina…
This is both irrelevant and inaccurate to the article.
The claim is of scandal, specifically a conscious cover-up and dishonest presentation of evidence. Moreover, nothing in this theory addresses the core observation here: the pattern of illness is completely unaligned with oil consumption, but matches the Almerian tomato distribution quite well.
Re: The Spanish cooking oil scandal (2001)
#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think you are wrong. This scandal is incredibly well-known in Spain. It's gotten massive press coverage throughout the years. In fact, most people that used to use cheap cooking oils switched to olive oil after the scandal. (For those who are not familiar with the matter, the scandal involved using chemicals on industrial-grade rapeseed oil to remove dyes and re-sell it to consumers.)
> switched to olive oil after the scandal Do you actually have olive oil in your olive oil? In the U.S., most of the olive oil for sale is either misgraded or adulterated[1] [1] http://time.com/money/4326354/fake-olive-oil-food-fraud/
> In the U.S., most of the olive oil for sale is either misgraded or adulterated[1]
[1] http://time.com/money/4326354/fake-olive-oil-food-fraud/
Mostly yes. Spain accounts for 45% of the world's EVOO production.
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#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
> switched to olive oil after the scandal Do you actually have olive oil in your olive oil? In the U.S., most of the olive oil for sale is either misgraded or adulterated[1] [1] http://time.com/money/4326354/fake-olive-oil-food-fraud/
I was just in Spain, and was told that prior to the financial crisis much of the olive oil produced in Italy and Greece was made from olives grown in Spain. (Spain is a massive producer of olives.) After the crisis they stopped exporting olives and started bottling their own oil, which was the cause of the shortage in supply of extra virgin oil from e.g. Italy that led to organised crime getting into the fake olive o…
So, a result of the crisis was that Spain decided circumstances had changed such that foreigners' cash was needed less than before?
Your facts may be right (I don't know) but if so, Spanish authorities made a basic economic error in that decision.
Re: The Spanish cooking oil scandal (2001)
#40FWIW, it appears many of these concerns were known and brought up during the original scandal 30 years ago:
http://www.nytimes.com/1989/05/21/world/trial-in-spain-on-to...
http://www.nytimes.com/1987/08/02/world/a-long-trial-in-spai...