Realistically, Java EE "fell" a long time ago, once people realized you could use Spring or Guice or other frameworks to help organize your code without relying on terribly designed APIs from Sun/Oracle for simple things like "I want to handle a http request".
Oracle and the fall of Java EE
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Re: Oracle and the fall of Java EE
#12Amen. Be it Hacker News, or the /r/java subreddit, or wherever, it feels like the bulk of Java chatter revolves around... 1. Security vulnerabilities 2. The Ask.com toolbar 3. Oracle abandoning Java EE ... which is extremely frustrating because... 1. Virtually all of the "security vulnerabilities" deal with the browser plugin for using applets, which hasn't been widely used in 15 years 2. The toolbar malware, while s…
And now imagine where Java could be if the ecosystem wasn't completely fucked up by oracle. Imagine a Java with a sane, user friendly installer, an open source community supported by a big corporation, actual development, no completely insane lawsuits.
Instead, developers want to abandon the JVM platform. They actively seek new platforms and create them.
The damage is done.
Re: Oracle and the fall of Java EE
#13I understand the viewpoint put forth here, but I think the big issue is making sure Java EE continues even as Oracle decides it's no longer worth the investment. I don't know how easily a group or organization (like Apache) can take charge of it given trademarks, patents, and the like.
Re: Oracle and the fall of Java EE
#14Everybody hates Oracle, but people still give them so much money! One has to wonder when it will end now that there are alternatives.
Re: Oracle and the fall of Java EE
#15I do mostly C#, and don't know very much about the Java ecosystem, and I could barely understand anything in that article due to all of the Java jargon. Can anybody summarize what the point is for somebody who hasn't spent their career knee-deep in the Java ecosystem?
Re: Oracle and the fall of Java EE
#16Java EE is a set of mostly bad libs for Java SE. Unfortunately the upper management has seen it as a "better Java SE"...
Sadest part is that it diffused into education.
Re: Oracle and the fall of Java EE
#17Amen. Be it Hacker News, or the /r/java subreddit, or wherever, it feels like the bulk of Java chatter revolves around... 1. Security vulnerabilities 2. The Ask.com toolbar 3. Oracle abandoning Java EE ... which is extremely frustrating because... 1. Virtually all of the "security vulnerabilities" deal with the browser plugin for using applets, which hasn't been widely used in 15 years 2. The toolbar malware, while s…
And now imagine where Java could be if the ecosystem wasn't completely fucked up by oracle. Imagine a Java with a sane, user friendly installer, an open source community supported by a big corporation, actual development, no completely insane lawsuits. Instead, developers want to abandon the JVM platform. They actively seek new platforms and create them. The damage is done.
What's so hard about the JVM install? I googled for "java download" and this was my first hit: https://java.com/en/download/
Went there and found a single, totally obvious button labeled "Free Java Download" that detects your browser and Operating System and makes sure you download the proper version of the JVM.
How much easier could it be?
Re: Oracle and the fall of Java EE
#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
And now imagine where Java could be if the ecosystem wasn't completely fucked up by oracle. Imagine a Java with a sane, user friendly installer, an open source community supported by a big corporation, actual development, no completely insane lawsuits. Instead, developers want to abandon the JVM platform. They actively seek new platforms and create them. The damage is done.
What's so hard about the JVM install? I googled for "java download" and this was my first hit: https://java.com/en/download/ Went there and found a single, totally obvious button labeled "Free Java Download" that detects your browser and Operating System and makes sure you download the proper version of the JVM. How much easier could it be?
Dunno. Do you want the ask.com toolbar? How about updates that install the new version and remove the old version? Or maybe they've fixed the latter issue by now.
Re: Oracle and the fall of Java EE
#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
And now imagine where Java could be if the ecosystem wasn't completely fucked up by oracle. Imagine a Java with a sane, user friendly installer, an open source community supported by a big corporation, actual development, no completely insane lawsuits. Instead, developers want to abandon the JVM platform. They actively seek new platforms and create them. The damage is done.
What's so hard about the JVM install? I googled for "java download" and this was my first hit: https://java.com/en/download/ Went there and found a single, totally obvious button labeled "Free Java Download" that detects your browser and Operating System and makes sure you download the proper version of the JVM. How much easier could it be?
On Windows it comes with an unrelated installed-by-default "malware" browser toolbar.
Re: Oracle and the fall of Java EE
#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
And now imagine where Java could be if the ecosystem wasn't completely fucked up by oracle. Imagine a Java with a sane, user friendly installer, an open source community supported by a big corporation, actual development, no completely insane lawsuits. Instead, developers want to abandon the JVM platform. They actively seek new platforms and create them. The damage is done.
What's so hard about the JVM install? I googled for "java download" and this was my first hit: https://java.com/en/download/ Went there and found a single, totally obvious button labeled "Free Java Download" that detects your browser and Operating System and makes sure you download the proper version of the JVM. How much easier could it be?
For one, it'd be nice if it only did what it says on the tin: install Java. There's no reason that a platform like the JRE should be installing a piece of crapware.