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U.S. Bans Theranos CEO Elizabeth Holmes from Operating Labs for Two Years

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Re: U.S. Bans Theranos CEO Elizabeth Holmes from Operating Labs for Two Years

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It would take 1 au / speed of sound in string. The 8 minutes comes from the (much faster) speed of light. Based on some googling it seems it would take roughly 1.8 years.

What if the string is completely non-elastic?

I assume that complete non-elasticity of something would violate the (presumed) light speed limit on causality.

Re: U.S. Bans Theranos CEO Elizabeth Holmes from Operating Labs for Two Years

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You sure? The two autopilot deaths say otherwise. There has and will always be risk in starting a company. Your products might have flaws and they might kill. Some companies make it through these events...some don't. Innovation is embracing a crazy idea to move humanity forward. However, it also means embracing all the unknowns.

two autopilot deaths? afaik autopilot failed to react properly to already dangerous situation where it is in no way certain that human would have succeeded. do you know of an event where autopilot deliberately chose to drive into a tree and killed the passengers?

> do you know of an event where autopilot deliberately chose to drive into a tree and killed the passengers?

There are videos of the Autopilot feature attempting to swerve into oncoming traffic. It does have the potential to kill people, it likely will in wide usage just by raw statistics, and it's likely to eventually fall under regulation of some sort. That doesn't mean it's necessarily a bad feature, but pushing self-driving car functionality as a "beta" to the public is, by at least some definitions and to some extent, "Elon Musk playing with people's lives".

Re: U.S. Bans Theranos CEO Elizabeth Holmes from Operating Labs for Two Years

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two autopilot deaths? afaik autopilot failed to react properly to already dangerous situation where it is in no way certain that human would have succeeded. do you know of an event where autopilot deliberately chose to drive into a tree and killed the passengers?

> do you know of an event where autopilot deliberately chose to drive into a tree and killed the passengers? There are videos of the Autopilot feature attempting to swerve into oncoming traffic. It does have the potential to kill people, it likely will in wide usage just by raw statistics, and it's likely to eventually fall under regulation of some sort. That doesn't mean it's necessarily a bad feature, but pushing s…

people swerve all the time because coffee and phones falling out of their hands, because their "cpu" is bug-ridden and decides to show them fiction instead of reality at will. so the connotation that goes with the phrase "playing with people's lives" is completely dishonest when faced with the fact that statistically autopilot is safer than human.

Re: U.S. Bans Theranos CEO Elizabeth Holmes from Operating Labs for Two Years

#154

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What if the string is completely non-elastic?

At those sizes there is no such thing as "completely non-elastic" (aka "rigid").

How about observing a quantum-entangled particle 1AU away from its partner? Can the speed of information surpass the speed of light? I'm a physics noob so I wouldn't know about research in the field.

Re: U.S. Bans Theranos CEO Elizabeth Holmes from Operating Labs for Two Years

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I hope that Holmes' bizarre behavior as the issues went public keep her from ever running anything even remotely close to things that matter for people's lives and well being. Even as the questions were building and the noose was tightening, she would announce a public talk to reveal and openly share information on the company's tech, then mysteriously cancel a short while later -- she did this over and over. I'm sti…

I'm curious. I have not heard a single thing about Theranos's downfall outside of the comments here on HN. Since you mention "press who broke ... stories", are there any articles out there that would also make me join the "Theranos is a fraud" crowd?

Much of the initial reporting was by John Careyrou, writing for the Wall Street Journal. This article is representative: http://www.wsj.com/articles/theranos-has-struggled-with-bloo...

Re: U.S. Bans Theranos CEO Elizabeth Holmes from Operating Labs for Two Years

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post #142

I hope that Holmes' bizarre behavior as the issues went public keep her from ever running anything even remotely close to things that matter for people's lives and well being. Even as the questions were building and the noose was tightening, she would announce a public talk to reveal and openly share information on the company's tech, then mysteriously cancel a short while later -- she did this over and over. I'm sti…

I'm curious. I have not heard a single thing about Theranos's downfall outside of the comments here on HN. Since you mention "press who broke ... stories", are there any articles out there that would also make me join the "Theranos is a fraud" crowd?

The Wall Street Journal has had the most to say about Thernanos from what I've seen. The most active Theranos threads on HN look like they are from WSJ artciles. Here is the thread for the first WSJ articles where I started seeing this story pick up steam if you are interested. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10391313

Re: U.S. Bans Theranos CEO Elizabeth Holmes from Operating Labs for Two Years

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I've talked to over 100 hematologists. This business, didn't pass a basic litmus test of objective criticism from people who work in the space. There seems to be this bravado among founders who believe they're sticking it to all the people who say something's amiss. I think if there's an elephant in the room though, it probably should be assassinated with a huge body of transparent evidence.

To be fair, that is how innovation occurs. There are many examples of "ridiculous" ideas that ended being wildly successful. Where would Elon Musk be if he listened to all of the incumbents who said that his ideas would never work? Obviously, the putative innovators massively failed in this case, but I don't think that the outcome proves that their original idea was fatally flawed, or at least that it wasn't worth at…

There was no doubt his electric cars would work - electric cars had long existed - there was doubt he could make a successful business out of it.

Re: U.S. Bans Theranos CEO Elizabeth Holmes from Operating Labs for Two Years

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post #142

I hope that Holmes' bizarre behavior as the issues went public keep her from ever running anything even remotely close to things that matter for people's lives and well being. Even as the questions were building and the noose was tightening, she would announce a public talk to reveal and openly share information on the company's tech, then mysteriously cancel a short while later -- she did this over and over. I'm sti…

I'm curious. I have not heard a single thing about Theranos's downfall outside of the comments here on HN. Since you mention "press who broke ... stories", are there any articles out there that would also make me join the "Theranos is a fraud" crowd?

wow thats some bubble you live in! here: https://hn.algolia.com/?query=theranos&sort=byPopularity&pre...

Re: U.S. Bans Theranos CEO Elizabeth Holmes from Operating Labs for Two Years

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post #142

I hope that Holmes' bizarre behavior as the issues went public keep her from ever running anything even remotely close to things that matter for people's lives and well being. Even as the questions were building and the noose was tightening, she would announce a public talk to reveal and openly share information on the company's tech, then mysteriously cancel a short while later -- she did this over and over. I'm sti…

Not sure if scam is the right word. Everyone is capable of deluding themselves into believing their current, morally questionable actions will be seen as justified in the future (when everything works, out of course). I'm sure even Bernie Madoff believed at some point he would win it all back and no one would ever know or be harmed.

Re: U.S. Bans Theranos CEO Elizabeth Holmes from Operating Labs for Two Years

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post #142

I hope that Holmes' bizarre behavior as the issues went public keep her from ever running anything even remotely close to things that matter for people's lives and well being. Even as the questions were building and the noose was tightening, she would announce a public talk to reveal and openly share information on the company's tech, then mysteriously cancel a short while later -- she did this over and over. I'm sti…

I'm curious. I have not heard a single thing about Theranos's downfall outside of the comments here on HN. Since you mention "press who broke ... stories", are there any articles out there that would also make me join the "Theranos is a fraud" crowd?

Issues with Theranos and the company's claims have been widely reported. One of the reasons there were discussions here on HN was that the news and articles that brought up these issues were submitted, voted up and then we all had a discussion on those articles and videos.

The WSJ reporting in particular has been deeply investigative where most of the rest of the media has just sniffed around at what appears to be a problem. Holmes' interviews in particular are some of the weirdest things I've ever seen, here's a fairly typical example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8qgmGtRMsY

Here's some examples of the media coverage of the company:

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&gl=us&tbm=nws&authuser=0...

and here on HN

https://hn.algolia.com/?query=theranos&sort=byPopularity&pre...

and specificially about Holmes

https://hn.algolia.com/?query=elizabeth%20holmes&sort=byPopu...

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