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Re: Autopsy reveals Debian founder committed suicide

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What happens if you hold an anti-gentrification protest on the streets of Munich without having obtained a formal permit in advance? Yes, the use of riot police is exaggerated in Berlin, but comparing it to a "failed state" seems rather absurd. Damascus or Baghdad are doing a whole lot worse. That reminds me of how I'd see people on the subway platform shaking their heads sadly and complaining that "Berlin is such a…

It's not just the police. - the disaster called BER - failure of basic public services (there are even talks about canceling the upcoming election because the citizens cannot register, due to a combination of gross mismanagement and ancient hardware) - schools are literally falling apart and even urgent repairs cannot be done because of authority issues (who is supposed to pay for what); alone the schools would need…

> the disaster called BER

BER is basically ready and only held up by zealous scrutiny, while there's no hurry to close Schoenefeld.

> failure of basic public services (there are even talks about canceling the upcoming election because the citizens cannot register, due to a combination of gross mismanagement and ancient hardware)

Is that because of the increased burden of immigration?

> schools are literally falling apart and even urgent repairs cannot be done because of authority issues (who is supposed to pay for what); alone the schools would need 5B € to fix, not to mention the other public buildings

It's like, the internet was never invented and teachers in a crowded room are the only source of knowledge. It's also like pupils actually wanted more intensive classes and that fails because ... the buildings are old? However, I guess it's highly unlikely that buildings are going to collapse like the factories in Bangladesh. Sure, there's mold and leakage in older buildings, to the point that whole schools are transfered. There are more schools torn down than are built every year, at least in my end, the east. Berlin is big and growing fast. Berlin is big, it's an infrastructural problem that rivals any other European city. Anyway, the children, some, are just as violent as the police or they'd want to be, at least. The unemployment rate for young people is unusually high, so the problem goes deeper. University funding OTOH is increasing in a downward economy. I'd call observer bias because, same as with BER, the story is milked by the media.

- corruption scandals

Sure, there is clear evidence for police brutality for example, but on the other hand, the laws are overall lax compared to New York or Bavaria.

- gentrification

Seems like the fix for lacking school funds, ironically.

- complete disregard for human rights in regard to refugees

"complete" is completely unfair. OTOH, Me and you dwelling here doesn't directly help starving people in Zimbabwe, either, AFAICS.

Your argument of association doesn't solve the question of undue violence in Murdock's case.

Re: Autopsy reveals Debian founder committed suicide

#102

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You don't get abrasions post-mortem, however, and if it were post-mortem bruising, you'd expect it in parts of his body that were lower than others. Having bruises and abrasions on his front, back, sides and face is not a natural thing that happens after death. It's a thing that happens when you're roughed up - if you read the autopsy report there are a variety of injuries that you'd have to try pretty hard to inflic…

> they're armed to the teeth and usually in full armour, and usually sat in an armoured and armed vehicle This is absurd hyperbole. Have you ever been to the US? Your use of British spellings suggests you are not from here. I have lived in the US for decades. I have personally seen hundreds, perhaps thousands, of police officers in socioeconomic contexts ranging from high crime inner city ghettoes to wealthy suburbs.…

I lived in Chicago for ten years. I know the US, I remember what it was like in the 80's and 90's, and I see it now and shake my head.

The US is becoming a militarised police state.

Re: Autopsy reveals Debian founder committed suicide

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German cops are not brutal? If you cause ANY type of disturbance on the street in Berlin, they simply dispatch a massively overwhelming number of riot police to come and beat the living crap out of you. I saw numerous riot police deployed in full gear several times per month when I was in Berlin, more every single month than the grand total of all the riot police I have ever seen during several decades in the US -- a…

Berlin is a failed state. The riot police in Berlin is abused by Interior Minister Henkel as his personal bully crew to provoke left-wing activists, in order to produce riots on the streets, which Henkel can then again use in his election campaign (you can google "Rigaer 94" for more details). I'll be in Berlin on Saturday for the big rally, I'm pretty sure it will be yet another display of police brutality. All in o…

I'm not sure about Berlin but I heard that Bavaria is frequently called Polizei Staat with a lot of policemen in civil clothing on Munich streets, care to comment on how it compares to Berlin?

Re: Autopsy reveals Debian founder committed suicide

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I'm surprised the article didn't mention it, but check out the last page of the autopsy. They found chlordiazepoxide, diazepam, temazepam, and oxazepam in his bloodstream, which could have had some terrible interactions with alcohol. This sounds more to me like a drug overdose that caused a psychological episode than just the alcohol-fueled suicide they make it out to be. Very strange.

It seems everyone is a forensic medical professional now. Did anyone actually read the report? From the medical examiner: "I received and reviewed the Toxicology Report. The findings do not change my opinion regarding the cause and manner of death."

Parent post is not saying that benzos caused the death, but that the benzo + alcohol mix made worse the mental state that caused the death.

Re: Autopsy reveals Debian founder committed suicide

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Some officer-involved homicides do attract increased scrutiny of the officers: Darren Wilson (Michael Brown): http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/08/10/the-cop Daniel Pantaleo (Eric Garner): http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/daniel-pantaleo-fatal-ch... Timothy Loehmann (Tamir Rice): http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2015/01/timothy_loe... Peter Liang (Akai Gurley): http://nypost.com/2016/02/04/partner-rev…

That's a good start. Until we have first-world performance levels the reputational hit from beating, much less killing, people should be enough to to prevent that cop from continuing to work as a cop, and to force the PD to institute the training and reform needed to prevent that happening with other cops.

Erm, internal sanctions don't seem to work - that's the state of affairs we currently have.

For actual justice, cops need to be subject to the exact same law as everyone else. The mens rea of premeditation usually increases the severity of a crime, but presently for cops it's seen as excusing it.

Re: Autopsy reveals Debian founder committed suicide

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Maybe different from a violent angry large man battering down your door just to get at you? Offers of tea are reputedly less effective in that case.

I didn't know it was different when I offered him a cup of tea. He'd already kicked in the roof hatch and was inside the house. I'd have done the same if he'd been kicking the door. > Offers of tea are reputedly less effective in that case. No, they're not less effective, and this might by why the US police kill hundreds of people each year, especially people with mental illness. You might want to read some of the de…

I feel that in addition to there-could-be-a-gun culture [0], a large component of the escalation in the US is due to Hollywood's constant portrayal of oversensationalized violence. We're taught to intensely identify with a helpless victim and then root for a domestic military arriving in overwhelming swarms, yelling and shooting.

This is what people expect to be the norm, and apply the same narrative to real-life stories - eg the rise of terms like "home invasion" in lieu of "breaking and entering". My heart would be pounding as well if someone were banging on my door, but how much of this is due to being primed by a culture of constant passive-aggression rather than attempted understanding?

I assume you can't escape exposure to at least some US movies. How do you perceive such media? Are they just rare enough that you effectively compartmentalize them as foreign films and not representative of your own culture?

[0] which shrug imho at this point is impossible to fix via fiat, but let's agree to disagree

Re: Autopsy reveals Debian founder committed suicide

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I don't know enough about it to comment on it myself, but I saw comments elsewhere that apparently bruises appearing post mortem are quite common and those people appeared to think that was the likely cause of the bruises indicated in the autopsy. Found where I read those comments and it has also been updated: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/4rlar5/official_repo...

You don't get abrasions post-mortem, however, and if it were post-mortem bruising, you'd expect it in parts of his body that were lower than others. Having bruises and abrasions on his front, back, sides and face is not a natural thing that happens after death. It's a thing that happens when you're roughed up - if you read the autopsy report there are a variety of injuries that you'd have to try pretty hard to inflic…

>This is interesting, actually - unsurprisingly, the US is the most punitive place on earth if you assault a cop, although I can't see how you could assault a cop in the US, given that they're armed to the teeth and usually in full armour, and usually sat in an armoured and armed vehicle.

Ah, I see you've watched the Ferguson riot videos.

Using the same process, I have concluded cops in the UK always carry shields and wear helmets with full faceplates, and that the UK military patrols minority neighborhoods in full battle gear including automatic weapons.

Re: Autopsy reveals Debian founder committed suicide

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post #103

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Berlin is a failed state. The riot police in Berlin is abused by Interior Minister Henkel as his personal bully crew to provoke left-wing activists, in order to produce riots on the streets, which Henkel can then again use in his election campaign (you can google "Rigaer 94" for more details). I'll be in Berlin on Saturday for the big rally, I'm pretty sure it will be yet another display of police brutality. All in o…

I'm not sure about Berlin but I heard that Bavaria is frequently called Polizei Staat with a lot of policemen in civil clothing on Munich streets, care to comment on how it compares to Berlin?

tl;dr: Berlin cops hate left-wing activists with a passion, but ignore "casual law breaking", Munich cops are not very violent but very pedantic otherwise.

Berlin is anarchy, police brutality and power abuse at its finest - I'm interested what the result of the Rigaer 94 rally in 20h will be.

Munich cops don't engage in open violence, esp. not plain-clothes officers, but they do fuck you over for smoking weed, crossing a red light as pedestrian or riding a bicycle on Marienplatz with no mercy. That is what is meant with "Polizeistaat".

Re: Autopsy reveals Debian founder committed suicide

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> Your offensive inaccurate slavery imagery notwithstanding. Offensive, but, given two PoC shot dead in 48 hours by police, certainly not unfounded. Racism is deeply embedded in (US) police, and it deserves to be called out. > it seems plausible that he did assault officers, and that they did have a right to use force against him to end that assault Funny enough, British cops don't (need to) carry guns. German cops c…

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12050733 and marked it off-topic.

Re: Autopsy reveals Debian founder committed suicide

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I didn't know it was different when I offered him a cup of tea. He'd already kicked in the roof hatch and was inside the house. I'd have done the same if he'd been kicking the door. > Offers of tea are reputedly less effective in that case. No, they're not less effective, and this might by why the US police kill hundreds of people each year, especially people with mental illness. You might want to read some of the de…

Ok I don't know, I wasn't there. But on the face of it, somebody sneaking in through the roof, and somebody violent at the front door who doesn't care if he's seen or heard, seem different things entirely.

They didn't sneak. I've said twice now that they "kicked in" a roof panel. That involved literally kicking it and stamping it, with full force, to break it.
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