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Re: Autopsy reveals Debian founder committed suicide

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Post by dpark » Thu, Jul 07, 2016, 7:20 PM UTC

madaxe_again wrote: post #41

CydeWeys wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He was in the process of attempted breaking and entering on someone's house. Everyone is glossing right over that fact. This is not some innocent man who was randomly beat up by the police. He was committing a violent crime and it sounds like reasonable force was used to stop it and protect the other citizens who were endangered. Read the other responses I've left for more. I'm actually quite critical of the police i…

No, he wasn't. He was banging on their front door, admittedly hard, but that doesn't constitute breaking and entering anywhere , as he neither broke nor entered, nor was attempting to do so. If you want to break and enter, you use a window, not the frigging front door. Also, if it were breaking and entering, they would have charged him with that. Instead, it's " Suspicion of intoxication", "Resisting Arrest" and "Ass…

> He was banging on their front door, admittedly hard, but that doesn't constitute breaking and entering anywhere,

Well, breaking and entering isn't actually a defined crime in Califorinia. Burglary is, and while Murdock certainly couldn't have been guilty of that based on the reports, he could potentially have been guilty of attempted burglary (which is also a crime, though iffy in this case), or trespass, or probably a number of other crimes.

> Also, if it were breaking and entering, they would have charged him with that.

Police don't really "charge" anyone of anything. That's the prosecutor's job.

> From the neighbour's account in the autopsy report, it sounds more like they were concerned for him than scared.

You are misreading the report. The incident reported to the coroner's office was not the banging that got Murdock arrested. The neighbor reported that Murdock came by to apologize on the day he hung himself. He was arrested on Dec 26 and Dec 27. The knock the neighbor reported was Dec 28. (I have no idea if this was the same neighbor or not.)

Re: Autopsy reveals Debian founder committed suicide

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Post by geggam » Thu, Jul 07, 2016, 7:37 PM UTC

you are under the impression the police discriminate... they do ... if you are blue you get away with everything... everyone else they hate ( the sheep )

Re: Autopsy reveals Debian founder committed suicide

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Post by droopyEyelids » Thu, Jul 07, 2016, 7:37 PM UTC

niccaluim wrote: post #50

jhardy54 wrote: post #4

I'm surprised the article didn't mention it, but check out the last page of the autopsy. They found chlordiazepoxide, diazepam, temazepam, and oxazepam in his bloodstream, which could have had some terrible interactions with alcohol. This sounds more to me like a drug overdose that caused a psychological episode than just the alcohol-fueled suicide they make it out to be. Very strange.

No one takes four different benzos at once unless they've got a specific outcome in mind.

Thats simply false. Benzodiazepines are addictive, build a quick tolerance, and they destroy judgement.

You can no more predict a heavy recreational benzo users's night than you can predict what someone will do blacked out on ambien or alcohol.

Re: Autopsy reveals Debian founder committed suicide

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Post by digler999 » Thu, Jul 07, 2016, 7:37 PM UTC

gnoway wrote: post #7

mysterypie wrote: post #5

The suicide is tragic. However, no one seems to have investigated the police beatings he alleges he received the day before he died: "They beat the shit out of me twice," he says. Just look at the autopsy report under "BLUNT FORCE INJURIES" for all the bruises: https://regmedia.co.uk/2016/07/07/ian_murdock.pdf#page=10 The autopsy reports alcohol and sedative drugs, and friends and family report that he was breaking u…

From the article: "Two days earlier, at 11.30pm on December 26, Murdock was arrested after drunkenly banging on a neighbor's front door with such force it was as if he were trying to break inside. He reportedly fought with cops when they showed up, and was ticketed for resisting arrest and assaulting an officer. He was taken to hospital after banging his head on the inside of the police car he was being held in. Just…

or his injuries were self-inflicted from having a psychotic breakdown ?

Re: Autopsy reveals Debian founder committed suicide

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Post by djsumdog » Thu, Jul 07, 2016, 7:41 PM UTC

droopyEyelids wrote: post #53

niccaluim wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one takes four different benzos at once unless they've got a specific outcome in mind.

Thats simply false. Benzodiazepines are addictive, build a quick tolerance, and they destroy judgement. You can no more predict a heavy recreational benzo users's night than you can predict what someone will do blacked out on ambien or alcohol.

Can attest to this. I had a very good friend who was taking an insane amount of various pills (hydros, valium and some others) and had a breakdown. She wasn't suicidal, but the doctors told her she was lucky to be alive with as much as she was taking.

It totally impairs judgment, and people who are addicted can quickly escalate without realizing it.

This very well could have been an accidental suicide.

Re: Autopsy reveals Debian founder committed suicide

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Jul 07, 2016, 7:41 PM UTC

droopyEyelids wrote: post #53

niccaluim wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one takes four different benzos at once unless they've got a specific outcome in mind.

Thats simply false. Benzodiazepines are addictive, build a quick tolerance, and they destroy judgement. You can no more predict a heavy recreational benzo users's night than you can predict what someone will do blacked out on ambien or alcohol.

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Re: Autopsy reveals Debian founder committed suicide

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Post by dpark » Thu, Jul 07, 2016, 7:42 PM UTC

geggam wrote: post #52

you are under the impression the police discriminate... they do ... if you are blue you get away with everything... everyone else they hate ( the sheep )

This is moronic. Even if you believe that all police are bad actors, it doesn't make any sense that they would be randomly attacking Murdock as he described. Is it impossible? No. Is it far, far less likely than Murdock having a psychotic break and lapsing into paranoia and confusion? Yes.

Re: Autopsy reveals Debian founder committed suicide

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Post by geggam » Thu, Jul 07, 2016, 7:42 PM UTC

CydeWeys wrote: post #28

mschuster91 wrote: post #15

> Your offensive inaccurate slavery imagery notwithstanding. Offensive, but, given two PoC shot dead in 48 hours by police, certainly not unfounded. Racism is deeply embedded in (US) police, and it deserves to be called out. > it seems plausible that he did assault officers, and that they did have a right to use force against him to end that assault Funny enough, British cops don't (need to) carry guns. German cops c…

> Offensive, but, given two PoC shot dead in 48 hours by police, certainly not unfounded. > Racism is deeply embedded in (US) police, and it deserves to be called out. Ian Murdock is white. This isn't a "PoC" issue, and the colloquial slavery expressions are out of place and offensive. Yes, racism is an issue with US police, but it is unrelated to this occurrence and to this conversation. And secondly, Ian was violen…

the Racism cops have isnt black or white... its blue and not blue....

only poor people run into this and rare is it you get to see them post to HN / other social media in a way they are deemed relevant

Re: Autopsy reveals Debian founder committed suicide

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Post by geggam » Thu, Jul 07, 2016, 7:43 PM UTC

amenod wrote: post #26

mschuster91 wrote: post #15

> Your offensive inaccurate slavery imagery notwithstanding. Offensive, but, given two PoC shot dead in 48 hours by police, certainly not unfounded. Racism is deeply embedded in (US) police, and it deserves to be called out. > it seems plausible that he did assault officers, and that they did have a right to use force against him to end that assault Funny enough, British cops don't (need to) carry guns. German cops c…

Not that I don't agree with you, but there is this little thing of US citizens carrying guns which is far from customary in Europe... So I guess the US cops do operate in different environment. That said, I don't condone police violence and think that in this day and age ALL work of the police should be on camera. Camera doesn't work? Get out of uniform right away, you are no longer a cop.

Citizens dont carry guns in california without having a friend who is in law enforcement to help them get a concealed carry permit

Re: Autopsy reveals Debian founder committed suicide

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Post by geggam » Thu, Jul 07, 2016, 7:52 PM UTC

dpark wrote: post #57

geggam wrote: post #52

you are under the impression the police discriminate... they do ... if you are blue you get away with everything... everyone else they hate ( the sheep )

This is moronic. Even if you believe that all police are bad actors, it doesn't make any sense that they would be randomly attacking Murdock as he described. Is it impossible? No. Is it far, far less likely than Murdock having a psychotic break and lapsing into paranoia and confusion? Yes.

enjoy that illusion... one day you will meet the police and think back .. hopefully you remember and feel at least a bit ashamed