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The Double Edged Sword of the Web

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Re: The Double Edged Sword of the Web

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Post by throwanem »

JustSomeNobody wrote: post #19
cptskippy wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's more than a little arrogance, it's a superiority complex. My jaw dropped when I read the following because it speaks volumes about his mindset. > As such, visitors are mostly privileged web developers using macOS and Google Chrome.

Meet the new bullies. Same as the old bullies. There's a lot of this going on in the tech community. Far cry from when got pushed around... Now they're (we? I hope I'm not like this) the ones doing the pushing.

> There's a lot of this going on in the tech community.

No. There's a lot of this going on in Silicon Valley and among its camp followers.

Re: The Double Edged Sword of the Web

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Post by digi_owl »

JustSomeNobody wrote: post #19
cptskippy wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's more than a little arrogance, it's a superiority complex. My jaw dropped when I read the following because it speaks volumes about his mindset. > As such, visitors are mostly privileged web developers using macOS and Google Chrome.

Meet the new bullies. Same as the old bullies. There's a lot of this going on in the tech community. Far cry from when got pushed around... Now they're (we? I hope I'm not like this) the ones doing the pushing.

Meh. The nerds still get pushed around. Most web devs these days are not nerds in any traditional sense. Web dev has long since left the computer labs and entered the art and media departments. And with it has come the every increasing use of Apple products in web dev circles.

Re: The Double Edged Sword of the Web

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Post by onli »

fhood wrote: post #6

I might be crazy, but I think that the dotted version of the colored lines (from Firefox/Safari) looked better than the dashed ones he was so insistent on achieving.

Not crazy, I though the same, maybe apart from how the border ends with too much whitespace. But we would have to see how it looks in the overall design to properly judge that.

Re: The Double Edged Sword of the Web

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Post by wmichelin »

digi_owl wrote: post #22
JustSomeNobody wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Meet the new bullies. Same as the old bullies. There's a lot of this going on in the tech community. Far cry from when got pushed around... Now they're (we? I hope I'm not like this) the ones doing the pushing.

Meh. The nerds still get pushed around. Most web devs these days are not nerds in any traditional sense. Web dev has long since left the computer labs and entered the art and media departments. And with it has come the every increasing use of Apple products in web dev circles.

I'm not an artist, I came from a Computer Science background, and I still use Apple products. I don't think using Linux as a desktop environment is enjoyable. I don't get the Apple hate.

Re: The Double Edged Sword of the Web

#25

Post by cptskippy »

throwanem wrote: post #21
JustSomeNobody wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Meet the new bullies. Same as the old bullies. There's a lot of this going on in the tech community. Far cry from when got pushed around... Now they're (we? I hope I'm not like this) the ones doing the pushing.

> There's a lot of this going on in the tech community. No. There's a lot of this going on in Silicon Valley and among its camp followers.

It happens everywhere. I'm based in Atlanta and we're primarily a Windows Desktop shop but our Marketing department is a bunch of Mac carrying hipsters with titles like "Director of User Experience" and "Mobile Experience Designer".

Re: The Double Edged Sword of the Web

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Post by gcb0 »

title should be "the hypocrisy of the so called web developers"

let's see. they blatantly ignore most browsers to focus on the one they use. and then cames up with excuses ("its over 50% of my visitors") just like IE6.

then they get confortable with things that browser does that are proprietary, just like with IE6.

then they blame all the other browsers in the word for not dropping everything else and go imitate the proprietary behaviour. they even points out that chrome is the only one not following the standard, and still gets praised, just like IE6.

"What should be important is that browsers put consistency across themselves first" is what they say on the article about other browsers not ignoring standards and following the proprietary browser they like.

google arrogance over standards and this developer lack of memory and abundance of hypocrisy will give us IE6 all over again.

damn you all

Re: The Double Edged Sword of the Web

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Post by cptskippy »

wmichelin wrote: post #24
digi_owl wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Meh. The nerds still get pushed around. Most web devs these days are not nerds in any traditional sense. Web dev has long since left the computer labs and entered the art and media departments. And with it has come the every increasing use of Apple products in web dev circles.

I'm not an artist, I came from a Computer Science background, and I still use Apple products. I don't think using Linux as a desktop environment is enjoyable. I don't get the Apple hate.

It's highly contextual. Macs gained a lot of popularity with OSX because of it's BSD underpinnings that allowed developers to go mobile and disconnected without having to run Linux Desktops. However Macs have always been popular with designers, artists, and creative nontechnical users because of their simplicity and intuitiveness.

A lot of the hate comes from having to deal with the later group, not the former.

Re: The Double Edged Sword of the Web

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Post by [deleted] »

wmichelin wrote: post #24
digi_owl wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Meh. The nerds still get pushed around. Most web devs these days are not nerds in any traditional sense. Web dev has long since left the computer labs and entered the art and media departments. And with it has come the every increasing use of Apple products in web dev circles.

I'm not an artist, I came from a Computer Science background, and I still use Apple products. I don't think using Linux as a desktop environment is enjoyable. I don't get the Apple hate.

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Re: The Double Edged Sword of the Web

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Post by SimeVidas »

exceptione wrote: post #3

I wish I could downvote this article. It is from a developer who is married with Google Chrome and who is trying to tell us that other browsers are stupid because they don't have the same bugs as Chrome does. It's especially unnerving for me as a firefox user since these days I come across a lot more sites that make stupid mistakes that just works fine in their Chrome. This mindset makes me angry. The same applies wh…

I’ve read the article yesterday (fully), and I didn’t get the impression that the author thinks that “other browsers are stupid”. (And I’m a loyal Firefox user, so I think I would have noticed.)

From what I’ve understood, the thesis is about the issue of browser inconsistencies, and how it sometimes may be sensible to resort to user agent detection and hacks.

Re: The Double Edged Sword of the Web

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Post by SimeVidas »

cptskippy wrote: post #10
morkro wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have to agree on this one. I have lots of respect for Nicolás and his work, but I think this article shows a little bit of arrogance towards users who don't use Chrome as their primary user. On top of that he disabled accessibility on Firefox entirely in favour of design preferences. Many developer might not care, but it's an attitude which needs to stop.

It's more than a little arrogance, it's a superiority complex. My jaw dropped when I read the following because it speaks volumes about his mindset. > As such, visitors are mostly privileged web developers using macOS and Google Chrome.

I don’t get it. Why is this arrogant?
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