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Research suggests many US parents will lie when saying kids made them happier

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Re: Research suggests many US parents will lie when saying kids made them happier

#23
Basic armchair psychology will tell you, nothing can make you happy. Your happiness is your own responsibility.

Not all parents may understand that having children may mean drastic changes to lifestyle, and may not have been prepared for the ~27 years of stress that having children bring on.

Oddly enough, having kids gives me a purpose in Society, that otherwise being a 36 year old man would not have. Too old to join the military, too young for end-of-life services, too set in my buying habits for marketing to care at all about me.

As the wise Stringer Bell once said, you're like a 40 degree day.

But being a dad, society is all about that: my lack of physique is called "dadbod" and women can profess to fetishize about it, my asanine advice to my kids are subject of a comedy twitter account, my no-more-give a dame attitude for fashion sense is celebrated, and I even have a national holiday to celebrate being a Dad--which gives me a legit excuse to do what I want to do (which for most dads involves cooking food on a grill for their families)

Re: Research suggests many US parents will lie when saying kids made them happier

#24
My friends with children after they've had a few drinks have all told my wife and I to not have children.

I know this is a small selection of college educated people with comfortable lifestyles, but when every single person I know discloses to me when they're in a truthful state that we're better off not having kids..it makes you think.

Re: Research suggests many US parents will lie when saying kids made them happier

#25
There is definitely a pressure to lie and say everything about kids is great all of the time; that is clearly not the case.

I would say that "small" happiness is less due to the huge amount of work and stress. On the flip side "large" happiness (or fulfillment) is higher. Whether that makes sense is a very personal decision.

I'm also very early in the journey. I have no idea how it will turn out in 15 years. I am happy that I'll have someone to hand things down to. I'm also happy some of my genes will survive even if all other evidence I existed disappears.

Re: Research suggests many US parents will lie when saying kids made them happier

#26

I don't feel that anyone disputes that children make parents happier (cuteness, inadvertent humor, fulfillment ...) but the responsibilities associated with them (sleep deprivation, education and care related costs, ...) stress everyone out which everyone acknowledges as well

The paper abstract is quite clear: "parents report lower marital satisfaction compared with nonparents".

Now whether you want to argue about marital satisfaction being a good proxy for happiness, which is a loosey-goosey term, is another question.

Re: Research suggests many US parents will lie when saying kids made them happier

#27
post #24

My friends with children after they've had a few drinks have all told my wife and I to not have children. I know this is a small selection of college educated people with comfortable lifestyles, but when every single person I know discloses to me when they're in a truthful state that we're better off not having kids..it makes you think.

> ..it makes you think.

It does, but to me it says a lot more about how hedonistic and consumer focused the middle+ classes of western society are than of some sort of inherent negative associated with having children.

Re: Research suggests many US parents will lie when saying kids made them happier

#28

They could have just posted the bar chart and called it a day. Why is it that when there is so little money out there for real research, there always seems to be plenty floating around for BS like this?

I'd guess it's like bikeshedding. Everyone understands the results of this type of study.

Re: Research suggests many US parents will lie when saying kids made them happier

#29
As a father, I still cant believe how someone might be happier without children, or kids have not made him happier... it is a most fulfilling thing to have a relationship with ones own kid. I also do not personally know anyone who said kids didnt make him happier. I am from Europe, not USA, but it is unlikely people are that different there.

Re: Research suggests many US parents will lie when saying kids made them happier

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post #24

My friends with children after they've had a few drinks have all told my wife and I to not have children. I know this is a small selection of college educated people with comfortable lifestyles, but when every single person I know discloses to me when they're in a truthful state that we're better off not having kids..it makes you think.

For me, having kids is the most fulfilling thing happening in my life. Honestly, that advice is terrible.
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