The Double Edged Sword of the Web

Post by [deleted] » Thu, Jul 07, 2016, 2:14 PM UTC

morkro wrote: post #4

exceptione wrote: post #3

I wish I could downvote this article. It is from a developer who is married with Google Chrome and who is trying to tell us that other browsers are stupid because they don't have the same bugs as Chrome does. It's especially unnerving for me as a firefox user since these days I come across a lot more sites that make stupid mistakes that just works fine in their Chrome. This mindset makes me angry. The same applies wh…

I have to agree on this one. I have lots of respect for Nicolás and his work, but I think this article shows a little bit of arrogance towards users who don't use Chrome as their primary user. On top of that he disabled accessibility on Firefox entirely in favour of design preferences. Many developer might not care, but it's an attitude which needs to stop.

Post by gnud » Thu, Jul 07, 2016, 2:29 PM UTC

smoyer wrote: post #2

"Who is correct isn’t important. What should be important is that browsers put consistency across themselves first." No way - The only way we'll end up with compatibility across browsers is to have unambiguous (as much as possible) specifications that define how they should behave and for browser users to insist their browser vendor aligns with the standard. I lived through that past and have no desire to repeat it.…

Post by Touche » Thu, Jul 07, 2016, 2:53 PM UTC

exceptione wrote: post #3

I wish I could downvote this article. It is from a developer who is married with Google Chrome and who is trying to tell us that other browsers are stupid because they don't have the same bugs as Chrome does. It's especially unnerving for me as a firefox user since these days I come across a lot more sites that make stupid mistakes that just works fine in their Chrome. This mindset makes me angry. The same applies wh…

Post by Etzos » Thu, Jul 07, 2016, 3:05 PM UTC

Touche wrote: post #15

exceptione wrote: post #3

I wish I could downvote this article. It is from a developer who is married with Google Chrome and who is trying to tell us that other browsers are stupid because they don't have the same bugs as Chrome does. It's especially unnerving for me as a firefox user since these days I come across a lot more sites that make stupid mistakes that just works fine in their Chrome. This mindset makes me angry. The same applies wh…

I didn't get this at all from the article. He didn't say that other browsers are stupid, he said that they have bugs; the outline thing is a particularly nasty Firefox bug. It might also be a spec bug if the spec is not detailed enough on how to draw outlines; but it's also definitely a Firefox bug because it looks terrible. There's nothing wrong with calling a spade a spade.

Post by JustSomeNobody » Thu, Jul 07, 2016, 3:15 PM UTC

cptskippy wrote: post #10

morkro wrote: post #4

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I have to agree on this one. I have lots of respect for Nicolás and his work, but I think this article shows a little bit of arrogance towards users who don't use Chrome as their primary user. On top of that he disabled accessibility on Firefox entirely in favour of design preferences. Many developer might not care, but it's an attitude which needs to stop.

It's more than a little arrogance, it's a superiority complex. My jaw dropped when I read the following because it speaks volumes about his mindset. > As such, visitors are mostly privileged web developers using macOS and Google Chrome.