Shameless plug: I'm working at the MIT Media Lab on the PubPub project ( http://www.pubpub.org ), a free platform for totally open publishing designed to solve a lot of these problems: One is peer review, which, as some have already mentioned, needs to be done in an open, ongoing, and interactive forum. Making peer review transparent to both parties (and the public) makes everyone more honest. Another is the incentiv…
If I might give my opinion on which features PubPub should implement next: - adding "Math in-line $$" in Formatting menu - enabling upload of LaTeX files - enabling upload of PDFs, to store on PubPub existing research (combined by via.hypothes.is, one can annotate PDFs, which is in the spirit of PubPub) - include some interesting features of SJS like grading, download as PDF, add to personal library... I am impressed…
Let’s make peer review scientific
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Re: Let’s make peer review scientific
#52Shameless plug: I'm working at the MIT Media Lab on the PubPub project ( http://www.pubpub.org ), a free platform for totally open publishing designed to solve a lot of these problems: One is peer review, which, as some have already mentioned, needs to be done in an open, ongoing, and interactive forum. Making peer review transparent to both parties (and the public) makes everyone more honest. Another is the incentiv…
How are you planning on addressing the fact that none of this matters in the slightest if academic career growth/incentives/reputation specifically revolves around publishing boring pdfs in established journals? What do I gain by sending my work to your platform where the first question anyone in my "target audience" will ask is "why didn't this get published in a real journal, whats wrong with it?", and I will get e…
The old crappy system is mandatory. You can't decide to do otherwise and still have a job.
The impetus for change needs to start at the funding source level, NIH. They need to make a journal that one is required to publish in order to keep your funding.
Re: Let’s make peer review scientific
#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
OK. Color me skeptical...
That’s fair. We think it’s important to be able to reference anything within the system with arbitrary resolution, so that’s our goal. Whether that implements well or not is certainly a technical challenge, but hard problems are the fun ones, right?
Re: Let’s make peer review scientific
#54Shameless plug: I'm working at the MIT Media Lab on the PubPub project ( http://www.pubpub.org ), a free platform for totally open publishing designed to solve a lot of these problems: One is peer review, which, as some have already mentioned, needs to be done in an open, ongoing, and interactive forum. Making peer review transparent to both parties (and the public) makes everyone more honest. Another is the incentiv…
How are you planning on addressing the fact that none of this matters in the slightest if academic career growth/incentives/reputation specifically revolves around publishing boring pdfs in established journals? What do I gain by sending my work to your platform where the first question anyone in my "target audience" will ask is "why didn't this get published in a real journal, whats wrong with it?", and I will get e…
Then you have a Fields Medal winner Voevodsky who also bitches about having a paper stuck in peer-review limbo for three years.[0]
In cosmology (I am not a physicist in the slightest, but I have enough mathematical background s.t. I can watch lower graduate level classes without too much difficulty in a recreational capacity), pre-prints get e-mailed around daily, such that if Lenny Susskind posts something on evening-{n}, morning-{n+1} will have most of the field commenting on it.
In biological sciences (again, just from hear say mind you) I understand it's different (e.g. in medicine, specifically, my uncles/father/their colleagues and students are all concerned with the impact factor of their papers and/or their doctoral students papers).
I also realize some journals have a "no preprint" policy. But a lot of heavy hitters (Nature, Elsevier, Springer[1]) allow the circulation of pre-prints now. So it's not a binary decision between one or the other in some cases. (And in the instances where you are able to submit pre-prints to online, if you've made a mistake, a colleague could inform you and you can issue a retraction hopefully before the $month+1's Nature Methods hits physical press.)
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Side-bar, skip over if you don't care about proof theory, type theory, constructive logic, univalent foundations, or category theory
[0] Vlad on Univalent Foundations http://www.math.ias.edu/vladimir/files/univalent_foundations...
Interestingly enough, for you category theory fans, Vlad has recently become a huge proponent of Homotopy theory[0.b]. Everyone knows Wildberger has kookie ideas w/r/t infinitesimals but Vlad too shares the same 'feeling[0.a]' that analysis (and to a lesser extent axiomatic set theory) just doesn't 'feel' foundationally correct. He's a huge proponent of Coq, Agda and dependent typing instead. Princeton's IAS put out the seminal text that's worth a read. No advanced mathematics required (or even advanced CS knowledge, it's all self-contained).
[0.a] I can't really put into words what the 'feeling' is any more than describing why some people find algebraic proofs more elegant than analytic or geometric. But in the same way that there's mathematical beauty [0.a.i] well agreed upon, this 'gut feeling' too is agreed upon amongst those who fall into a certain category (pun not intended)
[0.a.i] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematical_beauty [0.b] https://homotopytypetheory.org/book/ -- think of this as the best minds in aggregate sit down at Princeton to write one of the best texts on Proof theory, type theory and logic. Practical Foundations for Programming Languages (Robert Harper) is a good companion text.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_academic_journals_by_p...
Re: Let’s make peer review scientific
#55Shameless plug: I'm working at the MIT Media Lab on the PubPub project ( http://www.pubpub.org ), a free platform for totally open publishing designed to solve a lot of these problems: One is peer review, which, as some have already mentioned, needs to be done in an open, ongoing, and interactive forum. Making peer review transparent to both parties (and the public) makes everyone more honest. Another is the incentiv…
What does the word "anyone" mean? If you literally mean anyone, then you are getting rid of the idea of "peer", in which case you seem to be excessively idealistic. Even Wikipedia eventually had to impose limits.
Re: Let’s make peer review scientific
#56I'm enclined to think that an open review process by using a web system with a space for open discussion/commenting could be a good system. This wasn't possible before the web. Actual system is publish or not, but it is possible now to publish everything and use a rating system. This removes the risk of plagiarism and anteriority disputes.
Physicists have access to this if they combine the arXiv with Scirate. https://scirate.com/ Very few choose to, and very little discussion actually happens. There is something of a chicken-or-egg problem, but the site is sufficiently established in one community (quantum info) that if folks wanted to discuss papers they could. So I take it as weak evidence that they just don't have the incentives to do so. If a centr…
I don't think that "anoiting" a forum/web service would be a good strategy. We need to keep open the possibility of a new and better system to take over.
My feeling is that two fundamental requirements must be satisfied. 1. Anybody should be able to submit a paper. 2. Anybody must have an opportunity to become a recognized expert in a field. By anybody I mean that academic or career credentials must not come into play.
Obviously this begs for a rating system on the articles and on the "experts" too. Obviously recognized "experts" should have a bigger weight in the rating than random members. This makes it different from reddit and hacker news. But the idea is similar. Members should also be able to filter papers by rating and be notified only when a paper reaches a desired ranking. This is another difference from hacker news and reddit.
I would be very interested in participating in a project of this kind.
Re: Let’s make peer review scientific
#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
If I might give my opinion on which features PubPub should implement next: - adding "Math in-line $$" in Formatting menu - enabling upload of LaTeX files - enabling upload of PDFs, to store on PubPub existing research (combined by via.hypothes.is, one can annotate PDFs, which is in the spirit of PubPub) - include some interesting features of SJS like grading, download as PDF, add to personal library... I am impressed…
Why reinvent this wheel? Why not instead (also) partner with people like Overleaf who already have many of these features? https://www.overleaf.com
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#58Re: Let’s make peer review scientific
#59I'm enclined to think that an open review process by using a web system with a space for open discussion/commenting could be a good system. This wasn't possible before the web. Actual system is publish or not, but it is possible now to publish everything and use a rating system. This removes the risk of plagiarism and anteriority disputes.
I disagree. Something similar exists on the wikipedia and it's still open to biases and agendas, it's just a matter of who is more persistent and which side the admins take.
I'm convinced that random tourists vote can't have the same weight as recognized experts in the field who know the subject well and whose judgments are appreciated in their form and content. I'm convinced of this because it is the fundamental principle of the referee's review.
Re: Let’s make peer review scientific
#60Shameless plug: I'm working at the MIT Media Lab on the PubPub project ( http://www.pubpub.org ), a free platform for totally open publishing designed to solve a lot of these problems: One is peer review, which, as some have already mentioned, needs to be done in an open, ongoing, and interactive forum. Making peer review transparent to both parties (and the public) makes everyone more honest. Another is the incentiv…
How are you planning on addressing the fact that none of this matters in the slightest if academic career growth/incentives/reputation specifically revolves around publishing boring pdfs in established journals? What do I gain by sending my work to your platform where the first question anyone in my "target audience" will ask is "why didn't this get published in a real journal, whats wrong with it?", and I will get e…
As it stands now, the publishing model is the equivalent of writing your own version of the project -- with no easy metadata about your specific innovation -- and asking it to be accepted or rejected as a whole.
With that said, it's understandable why to keep doing the latter version until academia has standardized on the former.