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Re: The employees shut inside coffins

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Post by mahyarm »

jagermo wrote: post #9
mjevans wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For someone not from Europe; what sort of worker protections would you like to highlight (also what is the healthcare like there)?

Regarding Healthcare, this wikipedia entry sums it up pretty good: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Germany Regarding the worker rights: Not only do you get a decent amount of holidays (around 30 in most companies, with additional free days for parents), but you can also take up to 14 months leave after childbirth (both father and mother, but combined not 14 months each and one person has to take at least…

I've heard in practice it's near impossible to fire badly performing employees in Germany as a result, even if you're a small company. Or firing a bad employee becomes very expensive which is even worse for small companies.

It's probably hindered a bunch of people from starting companies in the region and makes getting a job much harder because employers have to be extra careful.

Re: The employees shut inside coffins

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Post by EdHominem »

PhasmaFelis wrote: post #94
ambicapter wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Shit, I'm stuck at 3. This is bad.

Not as bad as being stuck at #1, which can be rephrased as "don't get caught." Far too many adults are still there.

#4 and #5 are back to #1 - Doing what you feel is best while not being caught for doing it, just with a broader sense of "best".

Re: The employees shut inside coffins

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Post by joshuacc »

drzaiusapelord wrote: post #86
joonhocho wrote: post #79

Korean here. Korea is too competitive, and its system is so corrupt that younger people are feeling hopeless and committing suicide. For them, it's the last resort and the only way out of their misery. It's been many years since Korea has taken its place as no.1 in suicidal rate. It's currently the worst time for the younger generations with very high unemployment rate and very low wages ($5 minimum wage while averag…

The unemployment rate for under 25 in places like Spain and Greece is 50%. Why aren't we seeing more suicide there? I think there's something specific about suicide in the East that we just don't have in the West for whatever reason. There's a sort of social acceptance of it, but here, there's no tolerance of it. Maybe there's more resources for depressed people in the West as mental illness is beginning to shed its…

Apart from the reporting issues mentioned in other comments, Christianity has traditionally condemned suicide as a sin, while Confucianism has offered it as a possible solution in maintaining social harmony. Even though those religions may not exercise as much direct influence as they once did, they've shaped their respective cultures for centuries.

Re: The employees shut inside coffins

#105

Post by chaostheory »

drzaiusapelord wrote: post #86
joonhocho wrote: post #79

Korean here. Korea is too competitive, and its system is so corrupt that younger people are feeling hopeless and committing suicide. For them, it's the last resort and the only way out of their misery. It's been many years since Korea has taken its place as no.1 in suicidal rate. It's currently the worst time for the younger generations with very high unemployment rate and very low wages ($5 minimum wage while averag…

The unemployment rate for under 25 in places like Spain and Greece is 50%. Why aren't we seeing more suicide there? I think there's something specific about suicide in the East that we just don't have in the West for whatever reason. There's a sort of social acceptance of it, but here, there's no tolerance of it. Maybe there's more resources for depressed people in the West as mental illness is beginning to shed its…

> Why aren't we seeing more suicide there?

East Asia has one major cultural difference with the West that's relevant in this case. Status is taken to an extreme i.e. your job, your education, your clothes, your car, your lodgings, ...

In other words, "you are your clothes, your bank account, ...". When you don't have those things in East Asia, you're not that far from a homeless person in terms of status.

Re: The employees shut inside coffins

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Post by mschuster91 »

mahyarm wrote: post #101
jagermo wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regarding Healthcare, this wikipedia entry sums it up pretty good: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Germany Regarding the worker rights: Not only do you get a decent amount of holidays (around 30 in most companies, with additional free days for parents), but you can also take up to 14 months leave after childbirth (both father and mother, but combined not 14 months each and one person has to take at least…

I've heard in practice it's near impossible to fire badly performing employees in Germany as a result, even if you're a small company. Or firing a bad employee becomes very expensive which is even worse for small companies. It's probably hindered a bunch of people from starting companies in the region and makes getting a job much harder because employers have to be extra careful.

> I've heard in practice it's near impossible to fire badly performing employees in Germany as a result, even if you're a small company. Or firing a bad employee becomes very expensive which is even worse for small companies.

By tradition, first 6 months of employment are on probation ("Probezeit"), with 2 weeks' notice possible on both sides. Companies can opt out of probation time, though, if they want.

Re: The employees shut inside coffins

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Post by eva1984 »

clentaminator wrote: post #49
eva1984 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you misread this from beginning. As someone from eastern asian background, this feels not like some shady play that employer forces people into, rather I think it is close to a what is a catharsis or some sort of confession in western countries. The belief system of Sinosphere is built on ancestor worship. Every year, family gather together and goes to ancestor's tomb, do some cleaning and present offering to…

I'd almost believe you if it wasn't for the part of the article that read "The participants at this session were sent by their employer, human resources firm Staffs.". I don't see staff members volunteering for this, let alone people signing up for this of their own free will. I wouldn't necessarily trust the positive feedback from participants either. After all, who would willingly give truthful feedback to an emplo…

There is a documentary from Vice that talks about the kind of fake funeral in more details.

http://www.vice.com/video/a-good-day-to-die-fake-funerals-in...

It is used and viewed as a therapy for a lot of people. I do agree that people should be given the choice to turn down it.

Re: The employees shut inside coffins

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Post by kqr2 »

OT : In the US, coffins are a big money maker for funeral homes which have been accused of running a racket. Basically many funeral homes overcharge for the coffins, engage in price fixing, and make claims (such as preserving the body) that cannot be substantiated.

https://www.globalaffairs.org/threads/funeral-homes-and-coff...

Although there are some consumer protection laws in place, e.g. in some states, funeral homes must allow you to provide your own coffin. If you do, however, they will just charge you more for other services to make up the difference.

The funeral industry is another area which needs disruption.

Re: The employees shut inside coffins

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Post by PeCaN »

bkantehu wrote: post #82
nxzero wrote: post #19

Is anyone in South Korea able to comment on why there's such a high sucide rate? According two Wikipedia, it's ranked number #2 in the world and double the rate of sucide of America: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide...

Try living in Korea for a year, and it will be obvious. Joking aside, it's just that for poor people, there are not many things that you can do really to get out of your financial situation. If you are not born in a rich family, then it's really easy to draw how your life is going to be. I think it's the hopelessness paired with extremely high working hours and very low wage that drives people to commit suicide. Ther…

What the heck? Are there no antitrust laws or do they just not apply to Samsung?

One family-owned conglomerate controlling 20% of a nation's GDP and basically all industries belongs in some dystopian TV show, not real life….

Re: The employees shut inside coffins

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Post by tommorris »

kqr2 wrote: post #108

OT : In the US, coffins are a big money maker for funeral homes which have been accused of running a racket. Basically many funeral homes overcharge for the coffins, engage in price fixing, and make claims (such as preserving the body) that cannot be substantiated. https://www.globalaffairs.org/threads/funeral-homes-and-coff... Although there are some consumer protection laws in place, e.g. in some states, funeral ho…

Basically, like with so many things, The Big Lebowski is right.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKjBFsyYC0g

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