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Re: BSD vs. Linux (2005)

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Post by eropple »

throwanem wrote: post #289
eropple wrote: post #119

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> Having had an issue with Ubuntu and nvidia in the past, you might want to google NOMODESET and setting it at boot. Thanks; I later ran into something that hinted at that. Frankly, though, at this point I don't care. I have something that works and will be patched until 2019. I don't care about my desktops. Every second I spend debugging something stupid on a desktop is a wasted second. This is bad for me and I rese…

> OpenRaster Another ocean boiled, courtesy of the Free Desktop Project.

Yeah...I went down a pretty bad rabbit hole trying to figure that one out. I mean, XCF already exists? And application support is marginal, rather than nonexistent.

Re: BSD vs. Linux (2005)

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Post by throwanem »

eropple wrote: post #291
throwanem wrote: post #289

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> OpenRaster Another ocean boiled, courtesy of the Free Desktop Project.

Yeah...I went down a pretty bad rabbit hole trying to figure that one out. I mean, XCF already exists? And application support is marginal, rather than nonexistent.

I'm pretty sure the only reason the initials are "FDP" and not "NIH" is because somebody else came up with the latter.

Re: BSD vs. Linux (2005)

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Post by nixos »

darklajid wrote: post #83
nixos wrote: post #26

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> pkg install and the related pkg utilities have existed for awhile. So have apt and apt-get. So that takes away one of the advantages of FreeBSD > systemd isn't and shouldn't be a requirement for applications going forward. Any application that requires it is limiting its portability for unknown reasons. True, tell RedHat that :(

What would you consider the advantage of FreeBSD ports/packages? Why would that be taken away by pkg? pkg provides a way to manage (binary) packages. There are other tools (like poudriere, last time I dabbled in the FreeBSD world) to manage/create binary packages. You could run FreeBSD on your tiny VPS, but build packages with all the custom ports options you could want in a jail on your local machine.

The advantage of ports is that they are compiled for your machine. The minute you get precompiled packages, you might as well be on Debian

Re: BSD vs. Linux (2005)

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Post by jasonkostempski »

digi_owl wrote: post #288
ChuckMcM wrote: post #75

I like FreeBSD, and I use it as a server OS and on a NAS box but you only need look at https://wiki.freebsd.org/Graphics to understand that if the "Linux Desktop" is a joke compared to MacOS and Windows then the "FreeBSD Desktop" is even more so. From my experience of "old" computers, workstations, and then "PCs as Workstations", Windows won the desktop because the UNIX camp could never check their egos at the door a…

The base problem there is drivers. Specifically that we have something like 3 suppliers of desktop GPUs. One refuse outright to supply information that allows a proper open driver to be developed. Another have just started providing this information in recent years, and there is still delays between the latest hardware hitting the market and the proper information reaching relevant hands. The third only recently star…

I personally would accept a huge hit in performance for a fully libre system (software and hardware) and would be willing to pay more than the average desktop/laptop price for it. I know I'm not alone but I wonder if the market is big enough for a company to start producing hardware products on that core principle.

Re: BSD vs. Linux (2005)

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Post by yarou »

PeCaN wrote: post #276
872382372 wrote: post #251

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Both Christians and Muslims have been a huge source of actual (vs. childish imaginary) evil over the past 2000 years. Anyone who takes the devil seriously should stick to reading Harry Potter.

…Believe it or not, humans in general have been a huge source of actual evil throughout human history. You could probably reasonably argue that Christians and Muslims¹ have contributed enough good that in spite of their evil actions they've probably had a net positive effect on humanity. Oh, and quite a lot of math and science dates back to Christian and Muslim scholars, so your last sentence is perhaps dismissive of…

> Oh, and quite a lot of math and science dates back to pagan Platonic and Vedic philosophers.

FTFY.

Re: BSD vs. Linux (2005)

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Post by groovy2shoes »

code_research wrote: post #191
behnamoh wrote: post #170

Something I don't understand about FreeBSD is why they use the evil daemon for the logo? Whatever story behind it, I just think there are many other alternatives they could use as the logo.

It is a satanic cult. All these free software people are unpatriotic, satanic terrorists.

And communists! Don't forget communists!

Re: BSD vs. Linux (2005)

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Post by dang »

_wdzx wrote: post #86

> I like FreeBSD, and I use it as a server OS and on a NAS box but you only need look at https://wiki.freebsd.org/Graphics to understand that if the "Linux Desktop" is a joke compared to MacOS and Windows then the "FreeBSD Desktop" is even more so. I've never heard anything good about the "MacOS desktop" and I'm pretty sure that the "windows desktop" is far behind the "linux desktop"(plugins, performance, menus etc.)…

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12034708 and marked it off-topic.

Re: BSD vs. Linux (2005)

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Post by criddell »

eropple wrote: post #279
criddell wrote: post #225

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> if I wanted to light my time on fire I'd just go set up a Hackintosh and have a better desktop experience As I understand it, installing macOS on non-Apple hardware is a license violation. Your employer is okay with that?

I'm self-employed, so yes. I've got four grand of Apple gear in my office, and if they sold an xMac I'd buy one tomorrow. I don't consider it to be a moral question, and in practice Apple doesn't seem to really care.

I work for a software company and it's pretty strict about honoring license terms because we want our customers to do the same.

Re: BSD vs. Linux (2005)

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Post by liopleurodon »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #75

I like FreeBSD, and I use it as a server OS and on a NAS box but you only need look at https://wiki.freebsd.org/Graphics to understand that if the "Linux Desktop" is a joke compared to MacOS and Windows then the "FreeBSD Desktop" is even more so. From my experience of "old" computers, workstations, and then "PCs as Workstations", Windows won the desktop because the UNIX camp could never check their egos at the door a…

I don't know. That kind of architecture can still be useful and I personally use it when running some graphical apps inside of a docker container

Re: BSD vs. Linux (2005)

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Post by pavanky »

AceJohnny2 wrote: post #280

When I say "Linux", I mean Red Hat. I mean Slackware. I mean Mandrake. I mean Debian. I mean SuSe. I mean Gentoo. I mean every one of the 2 kadzillion distributions out there, based around a Linux kernel with substantially similar userlands, mostly based on GNU tools, that are floating around the ether. So... do you include Android? It's worth asking, because though it uses a Linux kernel, it's a heavily modified one…

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