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Re: The employees shut inside coffins

#41

Before looking at the article I thought it was a new office layout. No more cube farms, no more open layout, now we put people into little work coffins.

Not far from truth. Not far at all for many of us.

PS: Some good ole Pink Floyd music would suit this as well.

Re: The employees shut inside coffins

#42

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Some of us gain perspective from comparisons like that. We don't need guilt to motivate us. Its unfair to imagine folks only react to guilt but not to a real appreciation of their situation.

Well, I know what it's for, and I can appreciate that aspect. I just know it's been used on me and had that effect.

Steinbeck (in Grapes of Wrath?) had a character recite the 5 levels of moral development. It went something like this:

1) I don't want to get in trouble

2) I want to please someone

3) I want to follow the rules

4) I want to help other people

and the highest level,

5) I have a personal moral code, and I abide by it

He explained these as levels we reach with age - entering school at age 5 or 6 we first hide from trouble. Then in first grade we want to please the nice teacher. Somewhere in middle school kids become rules-lawyers. Later in life they may learn to be philanthropic.

People can be stuck at one of these early levels for life.

Re: The employees shut inside coffins

#43
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whenever I read an article like this, I am so glad for the German labor laws. They might make it harder for employers, but they make it possible to work AND have a decent live.

In Portugal, we have some "theoretically" restrictive labor laws, supposedly very protective towards the employee. Still, everyday you'll hear about someone being told that he/she should feel lucky to even have a job, let alone a salary (because, yes, unpaid stuff is also common). My point being: labor laws are fundamental, but they don't trump a) on one hand, a bad economical situation; and b) on the other hand, a d…

You can substitute "Portugal" with "Italy" without affecting the validity of the sentence.

Re: The employees shut inside coffins

#44
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Is anyone in South Korea able to comment on why there's such a high sucide rate? According two Wikipedia, it's ranked number #2 in the world and double the rate of sucide of America: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide...

Traditional way out of problems Inability to talk through negative emotions with friends and family In US easy availibity of guns helps.

Looked into it, appears the current surge of the sucides is related to poverty in elderly and the lack of support from family; appears the South Korea government successfully beginning to deal with the issue.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_in_South_Korea

Re: The employees shut inside coffins

#45
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For someone not from Europe; what sort of worker protections would you like to highlight (also what is the healthcare like there)?

I'm from the Netherlands. If an employer wants to fire you, he has to follow certain rules. If you have a temporary contract, he can just let you go after that period, so that's a popular method - just hire people temporary. However, you're only allowed to do this three times for a maximum of three years. After that, the contract is fixed without end date. You could fire someone for one month, then take him back, but…

Same in Germany, the temporary contract is something to be used to hire people when there is too much work. It makes sense to close that "Just renew it" loophole.

Re: The employees shut inside coffins

#46
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

whenever I read an article like this, I am so glad for the German labor laws. They might make it harder for employers, but they make it possible to work AND have a decent live.

"I am so glad for the German labor laws." Labour laws are not so much the issue. This is a cultural phenom.

I think one influences the other.

And you need a certain age to appreciate them (for example the child holiday thing).

Re: The employees shut inside coffins

#48
post #27

From the article: > In a large room in a nondescript modern office block in Seoul, staff from a recruitment company are staging their own funerals. Dressed in white robes, they sit at desks and write final letters to their loved ones. Tearful sniffling becomes open weeping, barely stifled by the copious use of tissues. > The macabre ritual is a bonding exercise designed to teach them to value life. Before they get in…

I think you misread this from beginning. As someone from eastern asian background, this feels not like some shady play that employer forces people into, rather I think it is close to a what is a catharsis or some sort of confession in western countries. The belief system of Sinosphere is built on ancestor worship. Every year, family gather together and goes to ancestor's tomb, do some cleaning and present offering to…

Might be, but it's a personal experience in that case, not one that should be forced upon employees by their employers. Keep work and spiritual life separated, if at all possible.

Re: The employees shut inside coffins

#49
post #27

From the article: > In a large room in a nondescript modern office block in Seoul, staff from a recruitment company are staging their own funerals. Dressed in white robes, they sit at desks and write final letters to their loved ones. Tearful sniffling becomes open weeping, barely stifled by the copious use of tissues. > The macabre ritual is a bonding exercise designed to teach them to value life. Before they get in…

I think you misread this from beginning. As someone from eastern asian background, this feels not like some shady play that employer forces people into, rather I think it is close to a what is a catharsis or some sort of confession in western countries. The belief system of Sinosphere is built on ancestor worship. Every year, family gather together and goes to ancestor's tomb, do some cleaning and present offering to…

I'd almost believe you if it wasn't for the part of the article that read "The participants at this session were sent by their employer, human resources firm Staffs.". I don't see staff members volunteering for this, let alone people signing up for this of their own free will.

I wouldn't necessarily trust the positive feedback from participants either. After all, who would willingly give truthful feedback to an employer that actually believes that this would have the kind of positive effect they seem to believe that it would?

Re: The employees shut inside coffins

#50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, I know what it's for, and I can appreciate that aspect. I just know it's been used on me and had that effect.

Steinbeck (in Grapes of Wrath?) had a character recite the 5 levels of moral development. It went something like this: 1) I don't want to get in trouble 2) I want to please someone 3) I want to follow the rules 4) I want to help other people and the highest level, 5) I have a personal moral code, and I abide by it He explained these as levels we reach with age - entering school at age 5 or 6 we first hide from troubl…

I'm not sure how that applies, but it's interesting. Maybe I shouldn't say "guilt" as much as "shame".
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