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Re: BSD vs. Linux (2005)

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Post by vertex-four » Tue, Jul 05, 2016, 10:03 AM UTC

onli wrote: post #175

vertex-four wrote: post #147

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Most people, otoh, enjoy playing games, watching videos, that sort of thing. Some people even do work that's dependent on the graphics card. Just because you use your computer for a very minimal amount of tasks doesn't mean everyone else does.

That misrepresents the situation on Linux. You can play with it, seriously since Steam is there, and you can watch videos since forever.

Absolutely, I've been using it for a while (NixOS being my current distro), but I took what my parent was saying as that the graphics stack is irrelevant because they don't need to do anything with the graphics stack.

Re: BSD vs. Linux (2005)

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Post by waldir » Tue, Jul 05, 2016, 10:03 AM UTC

> Darwin is closer to a standard BSD feel, but most of its userbase is people who came from BSD, so it’s a bit outside the scope of this essay as well.

I'm confused by this sentence. Did you perhaps mean "people who came from OS X"?

Re: BSD vs. Linux (2005)

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Post by vetinari » Tue, Jul 05, 2016, 10:07 AM UTC

roblabla wrote: post #163

_wdzx wrote: post #145

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For summary - X is just as insecure as windows/macos - we know it: wayland, mir and snappy is coming. For your disclosure - don't be too lofty with me - I'm trying to understand your problems because I've a very different experience.

It's not a security problem really. That's just a side issue. The problem is, today, if I want to watch a movie, play a game, do anything that requires using some slightly advanced GPU stuff, I'll get tearing, artifacts, or downright crashes. This is mostly because X11 sucks. (It's also partly because the proprietary nvidia drivers sucks). Nowadays I reboot on windows to watch netflix or play games (even linux-compat…

I've been using a Linux machine (Ubuntu+X11+nvidia+Kodi) as my HTPC for years. What's so sucky about it that I didn't notice during that time? No tearing, no artifacts, no crashes.

Re: BSD vs. Linux (2005)

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Post by xkarga00 » Tue, Jul 05, 2016, 10:09 AM UTC

Klover wrote: post #176

xkarga00 wrote: post #165

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Ever heard of Amusing Ourselves to Death by Neil Postman?

I think you are referring to the critique on television? Perhaps you can pay more attention to the last sentence of vertex-four's comment. That being "Just because you use your computer for a very minimal amount of tasks doesn't mean everyone else does." There are a million and one ways to use your graphics. Be it watching videos or gaming, which while you might have a problem with that, is actually done by people. I…

Wow, I am not sure how you managed to infer my lack of appreciation for people's freedom of choice merely from a title of a book. You may understand what I am trying to convey, if you ever read the book.

Re: BSD vs. Linux (2005)

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Post by sebcat » Tue, Jul 05, 2016, 10:19 AM UTC

cm3 wrote: post #155

smegel wrote: post #8

BSD has a wonderful, unified events system. That incorporates blocking disk IO. Linux has epoll. https://www.nginx.com/blog/why-netflix-chose-nginx-as-the-he...

FreeBSD also has Netmap and DTrace out of the box. They will also get TLS support in sendfile(2) as soon as the patches from Netflix land in HEAD.

I understand the rationale for this (performance), but it scares me a bit to have something as complex as a TLS stack running in kernel-space, which I assume it will do.

Re: BSD vs. Linux (2005)

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Post by vetinari » Tue, Jul 05, 2016, 10:19 AM UTC

brulard wrote: post #92

_wdzx wrote: post #86

> I like FreeBSD, and I use it as a server OS and on a NAS box but you only need look at https://wiki.freebsd.org/Graphics to understand that if the "Linux Desktop" is a joke compared to MacOS and Windows then the "FreeBSD Desktop" is even more so. I've never heard anything good about the "MacOS desktop" and I'm pretty sure that the "windows desktop" is far behind the "linux desktop"(plugins, performance, menus etc.)…

I've never heard the opposite. I've switched to OsX 4 years ago after being completely unhappy and irritated with Windows for over 12 years. Now after months of using Ubuntu (unity, xfce) and Mint (Cinnamon) I'm convinced that OsX is best for average (and power) desktop user by a huge margin. Although I would be much more happy with something Open Source.

I've got other experience:

- random failures to mount network shares,

- drag-and-droping files between Finder windows suddenly stops working,

- the file rename edit widget appearing in random part of the screen

that are bugs, that should not appear in the supposedly best desktop OS.

Re: BSD vs. Linux (2005)

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Post by floatboth » Tue, Jul 05, 2016, 10:23 AM UTC

lajospajtek wrote: post #90

Another aspect of the "Linux vs. FreeBSD" story is Java. I was almost won over by FreeBSD few years ago, however what keeps me back is so to speak the "second class citizenship" of the JVM on FreeBDS. Or at least it was so pre-OpenJDK 8, when I looked. Is anyone successfully using Java on FreeBSD in production?

There was a time when you were required to accept a license using a web browser to build the port… Now you just `sudo pkg install openjdk8` or openjdk7 or openjdk6.

You can even install IntelliJ IDEA with pkg!

Re: BSD vs. Linux (2005)

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Post by voltagex_ » Tue, Jul 05, 2016, 10:29 AM UTC

snuxoll wrote: post #158

voltagex_ wrote: post #146

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Also, where should I read up about DAS arrays? I didn't even know that was an option when I started building. Edit: thanks for your help here - you don't have an email address listed in your profile but I'd like to discuss this further if you have the time.

DAS arrays are extremely easy to understand, they're just "expanders" - SAS has special support built in for this, in servers you typically have the front drive bays connected to a single SAS port on the board instead of individual cables running to each drive, a DAS is the same thing just as an external enclosure with separate power. You connect it to a basic SAS HBA with an external SAS port (SFF-8088), like the LS…

Doesn't look like I can use an expander with my chassis. http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/atom/x10/a1sr.... Don't know why I was so set on this in the end. Had to import it, and then it wasn't really supported by FreeNAS.

Re: BSD vs. Linux (2005)

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Post by type0 » Tue, Jul 05, 2016, 10:34 AM UTC

aaron-lebo wrote: post #105

rayiner wrote: post #99

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I used Linux on the desktop from 2001-2007 or so. Switched to OS X until then. It's no contest: OS X is smoother, more consistent, and lower maintenance. Linux desktops seem to have peaked with GNOME 2.x. I'm not even sure what's going on with Unity.

9 years is an incredibly long time in tech. Aside from a lot of other very good wms, there's always mate if you really like GNOME 2. http://mate-desktop.com/ Even better, none of those wms will go away just because Apple decided to change things.

MATE is better than OS X desktop, at least for me.

Re: BSD vs. Linux (2005)

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Post by ptspts » Tue, Jul 05, 2016, 10:34 AM UTC

pavanky wrote: post #172

Guys, this article was written somewhere in between 2002 and 2005 (based on the author mentioning bitkeeper being used for the kernel). Someone edit the title to reflect this please.

It also mentions gcc 3.2.2, which was released on 2003-02-05.

It also mentions that Gentoo is getting popular, which was happening in 2002 and 2003, after which it has been declining.

Also this article has appeared on Hacker News many times before, with titles of various relevancy: https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=over-yonder.net