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Anatomy of a World War I Artillery Barrage

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Re: Anatomy of a World War I Artillery Barrage

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They're just saying "I hurt," not "I am just as damaged as a veteran at the receiving end of an artillery barrage." No, that is literally what they are saying.

Literally, as in those exact words? I'm going to have to ask for a source on that.

You got me, i can't find that that literal quote (though im pretty sure it exists). I meant to say that is what is intentionally implied.

Re: Anatomy of a World War I Artillery Barrage

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Funny how that shows every person online claiming to have PTSD from online bullying have nothing of the sort.

The brain is a highly complex system.

Complex systems are characterised by having many, often subtle, and frequently profound, failure and damage pathways.

There is a substantial psychological literature of the long-lasting effects of purely psychological trauma, for example, strongly implicated in borderline personality disorder. Literally -- the behavior and treatment one experiences as a child can have profound life-long impacts.

We're also quite familiar with "diseases" in which a specific symptom or manifestation receives a unified term or description, despite profoundly varying etiologies. You may be familiar with the term "cancer". It spawns variously from viral, chemical, radiological, photosensitive, and physical trauma origins.

Your comment is anything but constructive, though I don't feel it justified flagging. It's exceedingly dismissive, and displays exceptionally limited insight.

Please do better.

Re: Anatomy of a World War I Artillery Barrage

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Funny how that shows every person online claiming to have PTSD from online bullying have nothing of the sort.

The brain is a highly complex system. Complex systems are characterised by having many, often subtle, and frequently profound, failure and damage pathways. There is a substantial psychological literature of the long-lasting effects of purely psychological trauma , for example, strongly implicated in borderline personality disorder. Literally -- the behavior and treatment one experiences as a child can have profound l…

A comment that is merely wrong might merit a downvote or an explanation. A comment that is simultaneously wrong, off-topic, and offensive merits a flag.

Best to think of the flag not as a judgement on the commenter, but on the impact of the comment itself. A wrong comment might actually be a net-positive if it sparks a series of great comments explaining the right answer. But here, the impact of the comment is obvious: it's a malignant jab, and everyone who took the time to flag it did HN a service.

Re: Anatomy of a World War I Artillery Barrage

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because they know it involves physical brain trauma and still say they have it? Maybe we should be sympathetic to all suffering, rather than criticizing people for not being totally abreast of the latest developments in neuroscience. They're just saying "I hurt," not "I am just as damaged as a veteran at the receiving end of an artillery barrage."

> They're just saying "I hurt," not "I am just as damaged as a veteran at the receiving end of an artillery barrage." No, that is literally what they are saying.

That is literally a false statement.

"PTSD" has a definition that includes other than physical trauma:

"PTSD is a disorder that develops in some people who have experienced a shocking, scary, or dangerous event.

"It is natural to feel afraid during and after a traumatic situation. Fear triggers many split-second changes in the body to help defend against danger or to avoid it. This “fight-or-flight” response is a typical reaction meant to protect a person from harm. Nearly everyone will experience a range of reactions after trauma, yet most people recover from initial symptoms naturally. Those who continue to experience problems may be diagnosed with PTSD. People who have PTSD may feel stressed or frightened even when they are not in danger."

https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topics/post-traumatic-stress...

See also:

http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/post-traumatic...

http://www.ptsd.va.gov/

Some PTSD is associated with concussion or blast events. All PTSD is not associated with same.

Your statements are incorrect.

Please don't insist on being wrong.

Re: Anatomy of a World War I Artillery Barrage

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The brain is a highly complex system. Complex systems are characterised by having many, often subtle, and frequently profound, failure and damage pathways. There is a substantial psychological literature of the long-lasting effects of purely psychological trauma , for example, strongly implicated in borderline personality disorder. Literally -- the behavior and treatment one experiences as a child can have profound l…

A comment that is merely wrong might merit a downvote or an explanation. A comment that is simultaneously wrong, off-topic, and offensive merits a flag. Best to think of the flag not as a judgement on the commenter, but on the impact of the comment itself. A wrong comment might actually be a net-positive if it sparks a series of great comments explaining the right answer. But here, the impact of the comment is obviou…

It's definitely a judgement call.

I've expressed my judgement. Others can express theirs.

It's a possibly teachable moment. That requires the subject be capable of learning.

(A long-standing wish of mine is for some sort of long-term, portable, web-of-trust-like system for indicating, sharing (with select others), and tracking the reputation of various identities online. Whilst preserving the options for pseudonymity. A couple of decades in, and I'm still not fully settled on how to do this, though I've some thoughts....)

Re: Anatomy of a World War I Artillery Barrage

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They're just saying "I hurt," not "I am just as damaged as a veteran at the receiving end of an artillery barrage." No, that is literally what they are saying.

Literally, as in those exact words? I'm going to have to ask for a source on that.

People have literally used "PTSD" to refer to both the aftereffects of bullying and wartime combat.

Re: Anatomy of a World War I Artillery Barrage

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I just want to throw this in here for some more context: "During The Somme, the British bombardment consisted of 1,537 guns firing over 1,500,000 shells over a period of 168 hours averaging 8,929 shells fired per minute." That is just... staggering. I can't find a source for it, but I remember some factoid stating that on average it took several hundred shells to kill one soldier. That's not to say they had to take s…

Could you please edit that quote to not use all caps? (per https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html )

Sure, sorry about that, it was direct from the source.

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France is still digging up and disposing of tons of unexploded ordnance from WWI. About 900 tons a year, every year.

This is the so called red zone, here are some pictures about it: http://imgur.com/gallery/CdxZM

I wonder how many kids grow up in these areas thinking this is normal and the whole country isn't safe to play in.

Re: Anatomy of a World War I Artillery Barrage

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post #8

I just want to throw this in here for some more context: "During The Somme, the British bombardment consisted of 1,537 guns firing over 1,500,000 shells over a period of 168 hours averaging 8,929 shells fired per minute." That is just... staggering. I can't find a source for it, but I remember some factoid stating that on average it took several hundred shells to kill one soldier. That's not to say they had to take s…

The Germans fired nearly as many shells, 1,100,000, in just the first five hours of the 1918 Spring Offensive.

It just represents a vast amount of energy, and human endeavor, literally blown away.

Re: Anatomy of a World War I Artillery Barrage

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post #26
post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Literally, as in those exact words? I'm going to have to ask for a source on that.

People have literally used "PTSD" to refer to both the aftereffects of bullying and wartime combat.

People have used "sorrow" to refer to both denting a car and losing a family to genocide, but that doesn't mean there's any implied equivalence.
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