It's not a well-liked view, but I'm very glad that humanity is on the path to speaking only a few languages (or perhaps just one). If you disagree, consider this thought experiment: Imagine if the entire world spoke a single language. Would we ever want to invent new languages, making mutual communication harder? It would be silly. I do feel for the speakers of these dying tongues, but in the long run, this is a good…
If for no other reason, I would be psyched to see a single language win out, especially if it were an alphabetic language that could easily be encoded in 8 bits. Fuck Unicode.
Languages: Why we must save dying tongues (2014)
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Re: Languages: Why we must save dying tongues (2014)
#102That said, as a westerner who has picked up fluent Mandarin (and dabbled in dozes of languages) and who lives nearly full time in China, now raising my own child, I can see the efficacy and likelihood of evolving toward a reduced set of tongues or even a single-tongue. My grandparents spoke English, Croatian, German, and to a lesser extent probably some Russian, Yiddish and Scot. Other than English, only one surviving grandparent (90+) still speaks one of those languages. Similarly on my wife's side, her family have learned and forgotten Arabic and Vietnamese.
If indeed over hundreds of years the world does converge toward a single tongue, I would be surprised if Mandarin Chinese is not a serious candidate: offering simple grammar, huge and well dispersed population, with a pluralistic and pragmatic approach to culinary and other cultural acquisitions from integrated populations. The biggest issue is the number of characters, however a common international subset is perhaps emerging, largely through shared manufacturing supply chains, software interfaces, public signage and media.
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#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
Quebec is trying to save French through some crazy laws: - You can't have a company whose name isn't French. - The company I work for had to replace all keyboards by French keyboards, had to switch to an HR software available in French, had to switch all OSes to French, had to put French stickers on the microwave oven, etc. - I can't send my kid to an English school if I haven't been to one myself.
On the other hand, at this point, anyone under 30 in Quebec is fluent in English, because they had to be to pass school. I've only had trouble making myself intelligible to people 40-60+, and even then, that tends to be when I am way, way north-east towards Baie Comeau.
I went for a hike off the beaten track in Quebec City and asked for directions and a 22yo 'kid' confessed to me he hadn't spoken English since he left school.
Further north, everyone in Riviere du loup understood my butchery of their language and replied in English - except at the farmers' market, where local producers don't get many Anglo customers (except the winemaker who offered tours of her vineyard)
Re: Languages: Why we must save dying tongues (2014)
#104I've personally volunteered for the anthropologist and linguist interviewed in the article sporadically since the 1990s, doing things like OCR'ing early Himalayan journals, setting up and maintaining websites (Digital Himalaya Project, World Oral Literature Project). Eventually I met him for a beer in Cambridge in 2009, shortly before he moved to Yale... great character! I believe he has since moved on to Canada. Tha…
Re: Languages: Why we must save dying tongues (2014)
#105I've personally volunteered for the anthropologist and linguist interviewed in the article sporadically since the 1990s, doing things like OCR'ing early Himalayan journals, setting up and maintaining websites (Digital Himalaya Project, World Oral Literature Project). Eventually I met him for a beer in Cambridge in 2009, shortly before he moved to Yale... great character! I believe he has since moved on to Canada. Tha…
They'll have to come up with a better writing system, either settling on pinyin on wade-giles, or something else. Really, ideographs are awful, an alphabet or even a syllabarry would be workable, but needing thousands of characters to read a newspaper is unforgivable.
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#106It's not a well-liked view, but I'm very glad that humanity is on the path to speaking only a few languages (or perhaps just one). If you disagree, consider this thought experiment: Imagine if the entire world spoke a single language. Would we ever want to invent new languages, making mutual communication harder? It would be silly. I do feel for the speakers of these dying tongues, but in the long run, this is a good…
I'm not saying your view is the wrong one, or that it isn't rational. The sentence in the beginning of my post was spoken by an anthropologist who studied a tribe who was losing its language, and yet didn't completely grasp the other, mainstream language, fully. I never forgot that sentence. The youths of the tribe, he said, were in a constant limbo, their language and culture dying, and never part of the bigger, dominating culture. Their children's children will probably be ok, will probably be fully assimilated, but to not think of the fate their parents and grandparents is not right.
Many efforts are futile, but it doesn't make them all wrong. Sometimes it is the right way to act.
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#108It's not a well-liked view, but I'm very glad that humanity is on the path to speaking only a few languages (or perhaps just one). If you disagree, consider this thought experiment: Imagine if the entire world spoke a single language. Would we ever want to invent new languages, making mutual communication harder? It would be silly. I do feel for the speakers of these dying tongues, but in the long run, this is a good…
Usually, the people who espouse such views are never the speakers of dying tongues. I'm not saying your view is the wrong one, or that it isn't rational. The sentence in the beginning of my post was spoken by an anthropologist who studied a tribe who was losing its language, and yet didn't completely grasp the other, mainstream language, fully. I never forgot that sentence. The youths of the tribe, he said, were in a…
Not to mention that even computer languages have a similar quality: different languages allow one to think about things in different ways. How much would computer science suck if the only language available was Fortran 77?
Re: Languages: Why we must save dying tongues (2014)
#109If computer scientists made similar emotional arguments: Save EBCDIC because diversity. No. Full stop. It's the adherents' of these cultures (speakers' of these languages) duty to compile and/or translate their cultural insights and knowledge. If they fail to do that - good bye, it probably wasn't that important, otherwise the culture or language would have been dominant.
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#110Earlier quoted context omitted.
From an utilitarian viewpoint, sharing a single, global language is probably useful. but I feel that such a world would likely also suffer from less variety in culture and viewpoints. Languages tend to accommodate the way of thinking prevalent in the cultures that speak it, and vice versa the language also shapes the speakers. To learn another language as a non-native speaker, especially one that is sufficiently diff…
This post is a good one, and that utilitarian idea that unilingualism is good because you can hire people is a claim borne of the kind of short-sighted technocracy that bedevils tech and tech culture. In the appendices of 1984, Orwell was speaking of conscious linguistic malformation to make it difficult to communicate concepts that the manipulators of Newspeak (née English) wished to stamp out. It's not better when…
English patois in some parts of the world makes no sense to British/American speakers, even though it reads and sounds more or less like standard English.
You don't even have to travel to find the split happening. Just try listening to teenagers.
Language isn't just a utility. One of its functions is to define social register and tribal identity, and humans are so attached to both they can't accept homogenisation.