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Re: I2P: Invisible Internet Protocol

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Post by kodablah »

_rlms wrote: post #29
robert_foss wrote: post #20

I2P developer here, feel free to ask me any questions.

Thanks for contributing to I2P! Do you have any thoughts on HORNET? Could I2P benefit from a more stateless routing mechanism as opposed to tunnels in the far future? Are any of the devs going to defcon this year? I tried to get a small meetup going last year in the privacy village but no turnout, would love to make something official. I'm working on Go implementation here: https://github.com/hkparker/go-i2p . Haven'…

I am quite interested in go-i2p myself. How usable is it?

As for HORNET, I saw a minor Go impl of the ideas [0] along w/ a tiny mailing list post [1]. While it does appear to be made for backbone network devices, I believe the concept of onion routing w/ basically multi-hop TLS can be done in layer 7. I think the one thing missing is an implementation people can use and depend on (definitely outside of my present abilities).

0 - https://github.com/LightningNetwork/lightning-onion 1 - https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/lightning-dev/20...

Re: I2P: Invisible Internet Protocol

#42

Post by kodablah »

robert_foss wrote: post #20

I2P developer here, feel free to ask me any questions.

Pardon my naivete concerning I2P. Every node is a "router" right and therefore any node can be part of any "tunnel", correct? Does anything incentivize them to equitably share bandwidth, or is it like bittorrent where many rely on people's fairness?

Re: I2P: Invisible Internet Protocol

#43

Post by _rlms »

kodablah wrote: post #41
_rlms wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for contributing to I2P! Do you have any thoughts on HORNET? Could I2P benefit from a more stateless routing mechanism as opposed to tunnels in the far future? Are any of the devs going to defcon this year? I tried to get a small meetup going last year in the privacy village but no turnout, would love to make something official. I'm working on Go implementation here: https://github.com/hkparker/go-i2p . Haven'…

I am quite interested in go-i2p myself. How usable is it? As for HORNET, I saw a minor Go impl of the ideas [0] along w/ a tiny mailing list post [1]. While it does appear to be made for backbone network devices, I believe the concept of onion routing w/ basically multi-hop TLS can be done in layer 7. I think the one thing missing is an implementation people can use and depend on (definitely outside of my present abi…

Not usable yet, still implementing and testing the data structures. Thanks for those links, very interesting!

Re: I2P: Invisible Internet Protocol

#45

Post by synchronise »

616c wrote: post #18
pwg wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> My guess is the I2P gets more scrutiny from the US government, because it's much harder to break versus TOR > How so? Is this what is alluded to by "onion vs garlic" routing design? For one, it is a closed overlay network. There are no "exit nodes" (well, not unless someone explicitly setup a proxy to provide "exit" functionality). So everything that happens anywhere within I2P remains inside I2P. So any attacks o…

I was under the impression out proxies are a thing, and thereby not so different from exit nodes; they are the big weakness. https://www.reddit.com/r/i2p/comments/46yan0/are_i2p_outprox... (Again, I am having trouble with the geti2p.net site, which I believe is an public Internet I2P HTTP service bridge, which was originally the only outside view in.) Are they similar? Not sure. To agree with you, I believe the cultu…

>My favorite part of I2P was there POP3 mailer service, but testing it with friends never seemed to work great.

You should try it out with I2P-Bote instead, it also has inbuilt hooks so you can use it through your favourite mail client.

Re: I2P: Invisible Internet Protocol

#46

Post by mirimir »

robert_foss wrote: post #20

I2P developer here, feel free to ask me any questions.

What are the best ways to obscure I2P use from ISPs and other network observers? Is it workable to use commercial VPNs with port forwarding?

Also, how workable is nesting I2P in Tor, and vice versa? For example, can I2P nodes be Tor onion services? At one point, the JonDo client had a Tor SOCKS5 proxy option. Is that possible with I2P?

Re: I2P: Invisible Internet Protocol

#48

Post by syngrog66 »

616c wrote: post #2

I have always found it more interesting than Tor. After learning some Java, I read through the code, even compiled seminole Monotone DVCS(ironically difficult, because of the recently mentioned legacy version of the Botan C++ crypto library), but it is all a little beyond me. Perhaps one of the coolest projects I'd seen in a while was Nightweb, a I2P-layered distributed social network, written in Clojure, flashing al…

> Please, HNers, school me and impress me with your I2P trivia and knowledge.

even if you didn't ask this, this is what many HN users would feel they read. Be prepared for a flood of replies telling you precisely how you are not quite perfectly right, or, are blatantly wrong and moronic, because they themselves are perfect and all-knowing, and you yourself must be lacking in the department of subtlely and nuance. ;-)

Re: I2P: Invisible Internet Protocol

#49

Post by matiasb »

_rlms wrote: post #29
robert_foss wrote: post #20

I2P developer here, feel free to ask me any questions.

Thanks for contributing to I2P! Do you have any thoughts on HORNET? Could I2P benefit from a more stateless routing mechanism as opposed to tunnels in the far future? Are any of the devs going to defcon this year? I tried to get a small meetup going last year in the privacy village but no turnout, would love to make something official. I'm working on Go implementation here: https://github.com/hkparker/go-i2p . Haven'…

Nice, I would love to contribute!

Re: I2P: Invisible Internet Protocol

#50

Post by synctext »

kodablah wrote: post #42
robert_foss wrote: post #20

I2P developer here, feel free to ask me any questions.

Pardon my naivete concerning I2P. Every node is a "router" right and therefore any node can be part of any "tunnel", correct? Does anything incentivize them to equitably share bandwidth, or is it like bittorrent where many rely on people's fairness?

Yes, you asked the cardinal question.

Tor and I2P critically rely on donations. Incentive design has been an unsolved problem for decades. Bittorrent advanced the field with a very simple and effective T4T. There is a famous blogpost from 2014 giving the state-of-the-art in privacy-enhancing technology incentives: https://blog.torproject.org/blog/tor-incentives-research-rou...

I'm leading a research group at a university who has worked on this since 2007, see our initial collaborative work with Harvard University "Bandwidth as a Currency": https://www.google.com/webhp?q=bandwidth+as+a+currency

We need "privacy credits/coins" if we want Tor/I2P/Tribler to scale to numerous millions of users.

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