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Re: CraftCMS vs. WordPress vs. other CMSs

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Post by josh_angell »

josh_angell wrote: post #8

I would like to echo what Brandon has said and can highly recommend Craft not just because it's an awesome, flexible CMS (and it is) but because it is stable and extraordinarily well supported. Out of the box it performs well when compared with other CMSs (I can't find the stats right now) and for the majority of sites can be used without needing any third-party plugins. However, if you do need to do something more c…

To add to this - I'm assuming you probably want to import your current content in some way. Having a clean database structure really helps with this, I've imported upwards of 5k entries from a number of different sources into Craft on one project and having a clean API to deal with makes massive difference.

Re: CraftCMS vs. WordPress vs. other CMSs

#12

Post by ryanbattles »

marcusneto wrote: post #7
brandonkelly wrote: post #4

> CraftCMS seems more fitting to our needs because it's flexible and lean; we're impressed with what we've seen so far but are concerned that it's not open-source and that it's so new. Hi, I’m the Founder & CEO of Pixel & Tonic, the team behind Craft CMS. I’m obviously biased, but if your only concerns with Craft are that it is proprietary and relatively new, I’d like to attempt to ease those concerns :) Yes the actu…

I've known Brandon for close to 10 years. I'll also state that Brandon and his team are some of the most competent programmers I know. He was easily one of the top developers of add-ons for ExpressionEngine before starting Craft. His dedication and customer service are top notch and he, in a very jobs-ian way, seems to know what developers need before they even ask for it. Craft will be around for a long time. Open S…

I second everything Marcus just said. I have been using Brandon's tools (plugins and CMS) since 2008, and have consistently been impressed with the quality and attention to detail that he and his team give to each release.

Just look at "craftcms" in Google Trends and you'll see a nice trajectory of community interest and involvement moving forward: https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=craftcms&cmpt=q&tz=E...

Re: CraftCMS vs. WordPress vs. other CMSs

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Post by sdudenhofer »

userAW wrote: post #3
sdudenhofer wrote: post #2

Have you looked at Drupal? Drupal 8 with a couple modules could handle everything you need(custom content types, discussion boards, blogs, user profiles, etc) It is scalable and easily configurable. www.drupal.org plus the community is a big help.

Thanks very much for your input. We looked at Drupal 8 a little and spoke to some people in the organization who are using it. Our concerns are: 1. the need for full-scale developers when working with Drupal. We don't want to the site maintenance to be dependent on hard-core coders long-term, since that requires always hiring programmers rather than lower-level web developers. 2. Drupal upgrades. We've heard that it'…

1. depends on if you need to build custom modules/plugins. Alot of the functionality that you seem to need can be created using already created modules(plus my experience is that if I'm thinking I need to build a module one is already out there.) 2. I've heard they are trying to make this better, but it can be wonky. A lot of times developers will wait 3-4 months to allow modules to catch up to the new version.

Another option may be Backdrop (backdropcms.org). Which is working on maintaining backwards compatibility.

Re: CraftCMS vs. WordPress vs. other CMSs

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Post by sdudenhofer »

userAW wrote: post #6
sdudenhofer wrote: post #2

Have you looked at Drupal? Drupal 8 with a couple modules could handle everything you need(custom content types, discussion boards, blogs, user profiles, etc) It is scalable and easily configurable. www.drupal.org plus the community is a big help.

Do you have any exposure to Craft? Just curious. Thanks!

I personally do not have any experience with Craft.

Re: CraftCMS vs. WordPress vs. other CMSs

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Post by BenParizek »

userAW wrote: post #10
Natetronn wrote: post #9

Craft can handle everything you have described with one caveat: The "few discussion boards." If it is a very basic setup then you could build something. For example, if it was similar to a comment system, such as the one I'm currently writing on (here at Hacker News), then I think it could be done easily with a comment plugin: https://github.com/engram-design/Comments (note the threaded commenting and that by adding…

Thanks for your comment...and to all the others on this thread for the help. The reason we like Open Source is NOT because we don't want to fish out $300 for a CMS. It's because effective Open Source projects have a large and robust community behind them, which means that: 1. They're not dropping out when the product becomes less profitable...if some drop out, others take over and 2. There are many people looking at…

This may be a bit hard to test so I ask this more out of curiosity:

Do you feel there is more stability for businesses that have a stake in supporting popular open source projects than businesses that have proprietary software products?

Alternatively, do you feel that the number of abandoned or failed open source projects have a significant distinction from the number of abandoned or failed proprietary software projects?

I'd love to see some research on the topic, as while the classification of something being open source or not opens source has legal implications as to how it can be used and the type of community it attracts, does it really make a meaningful contribution to whether the group of projects or companies involved succeed or fail?

Re: CraftCMS vs. WordPress vs. other CMSs

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Post by simonswiss »

marcusneto wrote: post #7
brandonkelly wrote: post #4

> CraftCMS seems more fitting to our needs because it's flexible and lean; we're impressed with what we've seen so far but are concerned that it's not open-source and that it's so new. Hi, I’m the Founder & CEO of Pixel & Tonic, the team behind Craft CMS. I’m obviously biased, but if your only concerns with Craft are that it is proprietary and relatively new, I’d like to attempt to ease those concerns :) Yes the actu…

I've known Brandon for close to 10 years. I'll also state that Brandon and his team are some of the most competent programmers I know. He was easily one of the top developers of add-ons for ExpressionEngine before starting Craft. His dedication and customer service are top notch and he, in a very jobs-ian way, seems to know what developers need before they even ask for it. Craft will be around for a long time. Open S…

+1000 for this!

Brandon and the Pixel & Tonic team are wonderful developers and human beings. They have a true care for their product. The community around CraftCMS is very friendly, helpful and empowering.

You can't go wrong with CraftCMS. I found my happy CMS ecosystem :)

Re: CraftCMS vs. WordPress vs. other CMSs

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Post by mrtrombone »

I have worked with Silverstripe before and as you mentioned about CraftCMS I find it flexible and lean compared to Wordpress - I feel like it is much easier to be close to the data etc so great from a developer point of view. It is OpenSource and has been chosen as the common web platform for NZ Government so presumably this means it hosts some pretty large sites.

Re: CraftCMS vs. WordPress vs. other CMSs

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Post by lightlyused »

userAW wrote: post #3
sdudenhofer wrote: post #2

Have you looked at Drupal? Drupal 8 with a couple modules could handle everything you need(custom content types, discussion boards, blogs, user profiles, etc) It is scalable and easily configurable. www.drupal.org plus the community is a big help.

Thanks very much for your input. We looked at Drupal 8 a little and spoke to some people in the organization who are using it. Our concerns are: 1. the need for full-scale developers when working with Drupal. We don't want to the site maintenance to be dependent on hard-core coders long-term, since that requires always hiring programmers rather than lower-level web developers. 2. Drupal upgrades. We've heard that it'…

I'll address two. With the new Drupal 8 architecture (symfony2 based), upgrades between major versions will be much easier in the future.

Re: CraftCMS vs. WordPress vs. other CMSs

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Post by lightlyused »

sdudenhofer wrote: post #13
userAW wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks very much for your input. We looked at Drupal 8 a little and spoke to some people in the organization who are using it. Our concerns are: 1. the need for full-scale developers when working with Drupal. We don't want to the site maintenance to be dependent on hard-core coders long-term, since that requires always hiring programmers rather than lower-level web developers. 2. Drupal upgrades. We've heard that it'…

1. depends on if you need to build custom modules/plugins. Alot of the functionality that you seem to need can be created using already created modules(plus my experience is that if I'm thinking I need to build a module one is already out there.) 2. I've heard they are trying to make this better, but it can be wonky. A lot of times developers will wait 3-4 months to allow modules to catch up to the new version. Anoth…

Backdrop should only be used if you cannot upgrade, not for new projects.

Re: CraftCMS vs. WordPress vs. other CMSs

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Post by brandonkelly »

userAW wrote: post #10
Natetronn wrote: post #9

Craft can handle everything you have described with one caveat: The "few discussion boards." If it is a very basic setup then you could build something. For example, if it was similar to a comment system, such as the one I'm currently writing on (here at Hacker News), then I think it could be done easily with a comment plugin: https://github.com/engram-design/Comments (note the threaded commenting and that by adding…

Thanks for your comment...and to all the others on this thread for the help. The reason we like Open Source is NOT because we don't want to fish out $300 for a CMS. It's because effective Open Source projects have a large and robust community behind them, which means that: 1. They're not dropping out when the product becomes less profitable...if some drop out, others take over and 2. There are many people looking at…

> 1. They're not dropping out when the product becomes less profitable...if some drop out, others take over

I mentioned we’re open to moving to FOSS if we can create a business model that supports it. I should also say that, if worst comes to worst and we have to shut off the lights, one of two things will happen: either we will sell Craft to one of the thousands of companies with a vested interest in the product, whom we strongly feel is capable of continuing to move it forward, or we’d give Craft a GPL or MIT license, making it FOSS. There is no scenario where we would just drop it and pretend it never existed. Even if we wanted to do that, it would ruin our professional careers and probably result in a few lawsuits, so no thanks! :)

> 2. There are many people looking at the code and fixing bugs.

We recommend that plugin developers familiarize themselves with Craft’s codebase, because it’s the best place to find examples of how to do things when developing plugins. As a result, we’ve received hundreds of bug fixes from the community (including suggested code fixes). So this is definitely not an exclusive benefit to FOSS software.

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