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Tesla driver killed in crash with Autopilot active, NHTSA investigating

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Re: Tesla driver killed in crash with Autopilot active, NHTSA investigating

#11

So if I read it right the trailer merged from a Lane next to the Tesla? So the trucker had the Tesla in a blind spot? The article is vague.

"the highway perpendicular" it says. Neither noticed it "against a brightly lit sky".

I take that as the truck was crossing the street (from a side street) in front of the car, but because of the sun blinding the sensors and the driver, the car didn't stop.

Re: Tesla driver killed in crash with Autopilot active, NHTSA investigating

#12
My sympathies to the people who built the systems that make Autopilot possible. Even knowing it was statistically bound to happen eventually, this has to weigh heavily from the "damn, I should've thought of this once-in-a-130-m-miles corner case" perspective.

Re: Tesla driver killed in crash with Autopilot active, NHTSA investigating

#13
Tesla's statement[1] provides some more details

> What we know is that the vehicle was on a divided highway with Autopilot engaged when a tractor trailer drove across the highway perpendicular to the Model S. Neither Autopilot nor the driver noticed the white side of the tractor trailer against a brightly lit sky, so the brake was not applied.

Failing to detect the white side of a tractor against a brightly lit sky is something I can see camera/image based sensors struggling with, but not LIDAR based sensors.

[1] https://www.teslamotors.com/blog/tragic-loss

Re: Tesla driver killed in crash with Autopilot active, NHTSA investigating

#14
> In the blog post, Tesla reiterates that customers are required to agree that the system is in a "public beta phase" before they can use it

I absolutely disagree with this, and it should not be used as a 'get out' clause from Tesla. If you work with non-technical people on technical issues on a day to day basis you'll understand why - non-technical people literally don't understand what stuff like this means. They'll read it, then say 'Oh but they installed it in my car anyway so it must be safe', and use it anyway.

Re: Tesla driver killed in crash with Autopilot active, NHTSA investigating

#17

I wonder what the driver was doing when the vehicle crashed. Tesla says that the driver is ultimately responsible for controlling the vehicle but then provides a system that is likely result in the driver not paying attention--sleeping, reading, or otherwise being distracted. How can Tesla and the governments that license drivers resolve this situation?

Probably looking down at phone or the like. I don't buy that any sky would prevent an attentive driver from seeing a big rig perpendicular to them.

I've had doubts about autopilot after it was hastily released and I've seen some unnerving anecdotes on Tesla groups about it. I think Tesla needs to keep Elon in check a bit more...

Re: Tesla driver killed in crash with Autopilot active, NHTSA investigating

#18

"This is the first known fatality in just over 130 million miles where Autopilot was activated," states a post on Tesla's corporate website. "Among all vehicles in the U.S., there is a fatality every 94 million miles. Worldwide, there is a fatality approximately every 60 million miles. It is important to emphasize that the NHTSA action is simply a preliminary evaluation to determine whether the system worked accordin…

From what I understand, the autopilot can only be used on highways. I would suspect that highway travel is much safer per mile in the first place. Are we comparing highway driving with autopilot to regular mixed city/highway driving?

Re: Tesla driver killed in crash with Autopilot active, NHTSA investigating

#19

"This is the first known fatality in just over 130 million miles where Autopilot was activated," states a post on Tesla's corporate website. "Among all vehicles in the U.S., there is a fatality every 94 million miles. Worldwide, there is a fatality approximately every 60 million miles. It is important to emphasize that the NHTSA action is simply a preliminary evaluation to determine whether the system worked accordin…

From what I understand, the autopilot can only be used on highways. I would suspect that highway travel is much safer per mile in the first place. Are we comparing highway driving with autopilot to regular mixed city/highway driving?

Good question

Re: Tesla driver killed in crash with Autopilot active, NHTSA investigating

#20

Should we be calling the technology Autopilot? I feel like the name implies more autonomy than it provides inadvertently misleading people.

Tesla itself refers to it as Autosteer in the in-car UI (but Autopilot in its marketing materials).
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