At the risk of making a tenuous (and inflammatory) connection, I'm struck by the difference in tone between this and the Ashley Madison leak. Here, there's sentiments of "how terrible", "leaked users might have severe consequences", and "this ruins the privacy where people get away from repressive social mores". Ashley Madison, by comparison, was met with sentiments of "good!", "glad we're outing adulters", and "thes…
As far as I'm concerned there is absolutely no difference.
Maybe you should only make this connection if it is the same individuals that make contradictory responses. Otherwise, HN is not as homogeneous as you seem to think.
The comments about honor killings and stoning for adultery are a bit ridiculous. Honor killings usually happen in tribal and rural segments of Pakistan--not the kinds of people who use Muslim Match. Not all of the users are even from Pakistan, many were probably from the US and the UK, and a lot of the people on there were just genuinely looking for a spouse. Do you guys really think that nobody has premarital sex in…
We even have these so called 'honor' killings here in NL:
This is clearly a criminal and very evil act that will likely harm many people, not just emotionally but also physically. I wonder how anyone could be so deranged to do something like this. But it is also a cultural problem of these Muslim societies that they actually stone people to death for adultery. This is horrific. If I were to make a dating app then I would outright ban all of these countries because I don't w…
I find this comment offensive. You're implying the primary harm here is done by the hacker, not the people actually stoning others to death.
The comments about honor killings and stoning for adultery are a bit ridiculous. Honor killings usually happen in tribal and rural segments of Pakistan--not the kinds of people who use Muslim Match. Not all of the users are even from Pakistan, many were probably from the US and the UK, and a lot of the people on there were just genuinely looking for a spouse. Do you guys really think that nobody has premarital sex in…
Its important to note that Pakistan is pretty damn liberal. The tribal regions and the main land have nothing in common. People have affairs, drink and everything without worrying about death. The tribal regions probably don't even have internet.
I didn't expect hacker news to also jump to conclusions like this lol.
At the risk of making a tenuous (and inflammatory) connection, I'm struck by the difference in tone between this and the Ashley Madison leak. Here, there's sentiments of "how terrible", "leaked users might have severe consequences", and "this ruins the privacy where people get away from repressive social mores". Ashley Madison, by comparison, was met with sentiments of "good!", "glad we're outing adulters", and "thes…
If you're correct in that the same users are presenting different tones (which I don't necessarily agree with), then perhaps it could be summed up by, as you say, impressing our own values on the situation.
Perhaps we think it's fitting for adulterers to be outed & shamed, but we don't think it's fitting for them to be attacked or jailed or executed.
> This is a serious security threat for many Muslims abroad. It's not a threat. It's a wake up call. The less you can bury all that goes on under the rug the less easier it is to justify repressive, hypocritical cultures like the cultures around Islam.
You're getting downvoted, but there's a grain of truth here. If our perspective is, "It's ok that people were on this site, but bad that it leaked because consequences ," shouldn't we be willing to focus on how to remove those consequences and the system that puts them in place?
People are willing to do that, but without a significant number of arabic-speaking westerners, how do you do thatin a way that is actually effective?
Just as much as white/black are races. A less snarky answer is that just like Jews there is a separation of cultural Muslims and religious Muslims, the former representing a race.
The comments about honor killings and stoning for adultery are a bit ridiculous. Honor killings usually happen in tribal and rural segments of Pakistan--not the kinds of people who use Muslim Match. Not all of the users are even from Pakistan, many were probably from the US and the UK, and a lot of the people on there were just genuinely looking for a spouse. Do you guys really think that nobody has premarital sex in…
It's exactly the kind of people who use Muslim Match that are at risk. I'm not suggesting that people will die, but there will be awful consiquences from this - especially for females.
I'm not sure which comedy shows you're watching, but I've never seen then use non-famous people's leaked personal correspondence to make fun of them, nor would I find that very funny.
I was thinking more along the lines of reading a message about a dress/laundry, etc that's followed up by a joke about Bill Clinton.
You're absolutely correct, but I really wish we could get away from this idea that anything on the Internet can be private. If it's on the Internet, it should be considered public, especially if it's on someone else's servers. Maybe some day this won't be true, but today in 2016, it is. Don't put private data on the Internet.
>> "You're absolutely correct, but I really wish we could get away from this idea that anything on the Internet can be private." I don't think that's possible. It's too integral. Think about communications you make that are intended to be private between you and the person receiving it (your doctor, the government). No matter how important the communication I think in 10-20 years there will be no option to snail mail…
Sure, that's the ideal, but that's not the reality on the ground. People treat logins to websites like it's a guarantee of privacy, and it's just not. Maybe once we have standardized and widely used end-to-end crypto (keybase), have some real authentication (extension of end-to-end crypto), and take computer security seriously (stop using C and C++, to start) we can start to consider things communicated via the Internet to be private. But we're not there yet and we need to get across to people that if you put your name and photos up on a dating site, that information is public and you should be prepared to deal with the consequences.