Hacked: Private Messages From Dating Site ‘Muslim Match’ • Hacker News Board

Re: Hacked: Private Messages From Dating Site ‘Muslim Match’

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Post by jacquesm » Thu, Jun 30, 2016, 2:48 PM UTC

bmmayer1 wrote: post #8

This is a serious security threat for many Muslims abroad, given that premarital sex is severely punishable in several Islamic countries (including Pakistan mentioned in the leak), and even within countries where it isn't punishable by law, those who get caught frequently risk honor attacks from their families as has happened in the US, UK, India and elsewhere. Obviously dating != sex but there's probably enough 'smo…

I hope those in the 'nothing to hide' camp (also quite prevalent here on HN) will take their lessons from this too.

The whole 'honor killings' stuff disgusts me, what is even more disgusting is that in plenty of places the authorities will tacitly allow this stuff to take place.

There is no honor in it whatsoever.

Re: Hacked: Private Messages From Dating Site ‘Muslim Match’

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Post by protomyth » Thu, Jun 30, 2016, 2:52 PM UTC

DominikR wrote: post #12

This is clearly a criminal and very evil act that will likely harm many people, not just emotionally but also physically. I wonder how anyone could be so deranged to do something like this. But it is also a cultural problem of these Muslim societies that they actually stone people to death for adultery. This is horrific. If I were to make a dating app then I would outright ban all of these countries because I don't w…

> This is clearly a criminal and very evil act that will likely harm many people, not just emotionally but also physically. I wonder how anyone could be so deranged to do something like this.

I would imagine its probably a family member of someone killed in a terrorist attack. Trying to take vengeance against a whole segment of humanity is not unknown.

Re: Hacked: Private Messages From Dating Site ‘Muslim Match’

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Post by sctb » Thu, Jun 30, 2016, 2:54 PM UTC

danso wrote: post #9

This link is basically a summation of this Vice article: http://motherboard.vice.com/en_ca/read/hacked-private-messag...

Thanks, we updated the link from https://thestack.com/security/2016/06/30/muslim-match-dating....

Re: Hacked: Private Messages From Dating Site ‘Muslim Match’

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Post by nickpsecurity » Thu, Jun 30, 2016, 2:55 PM UTC

rm_-rf_slash wrote: post #27

Given the other comments here and the longtime and blatant surveillance of Muslims by the FBI and NYPD, to name a few alphabet agencies, one would imagine that there is ample market opportunity in providing secure services and communications for Muslim clients. Might even have Islamic-appropriate functionality, such as allowing families to discuss potential marriages but forbidding the presumptive couple from communi…

"there is ample market opportunity in providing secure services and communications for Muslim clients."

You mean aiding and abeitting terrorists? That's the nonsense they'll mention when they target that company or its founders. "They" means about any country in the Wassenar Agreement, part of many Eyes coalition, prone to mass surveillance, or concerned about terrorism. That's unfortunately about every democracy or powerful non-democracy you can develop crypto in.

I'm not saying you can't do it. I have no idea what outcome will be. I just know it's one of riskiest, business models for crypto.

Re: Hacked: Private Messages From Dating Site ‘Muslim Match’

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Post by riyadparvez » Thu, Jun 30, 2016, 2:55 PM UTC

Does the hacker have any religious motivation? As an ex-Muslim, I cannot comprehend how someone in his/her right mind can do something like this. The people whose identities are revealed will be socially rejected in the best case; in the worst case, physical abuse, honor killings, and whatnot. These hackers should be prosecuted for intentionally risking other peoples lives.

Re: Hacked: Private Messages From Dating Site ‘Muslim Match’

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Post by cableshaft » Thu, Jun 30, 2016, 2:57 PM UTC

fahadkhan wrote: post #10

timwaagh wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

because groups talk differently amongst themselves than they do in a survey. i live in a muslim dominated neighbourhood. i had them for classmates so i heard them talk amongst themselves and they said some stuff that did shock me (not just related to jihad, but also things like: some girls talked about how they where not allowed to look western boys in the eye). but more importantly because we want to know this. how…

"what is a 'moderate muslim'." WOW! How do cope with such a high level of paranoia?

I'd say it's less paranoia and more "all we get from the media is anti-Muslim propaganda and reports of horrible things extremist Muslims do, it'd be nice to have something to point to that's not about that."

Honestly I'd rather the mainstream media just starts doing consistent positive coverage on individuals in the Muslim community to counteract the negative news, but I'll take what I can get.

I've had discussions with several 'normal folk' Americans (note: I am American) that are totally brainwashed into believing being Muslim is synonymous with being pure evil, and I'm afraid of what that mindset leads to, especially on a large scale.

Re: Hacked: Private Messages From Dating Site ‘Muslim Match’

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Post by Spivak » Thu, Jun 30, 2016, 2:57 PM UTC

KON_Air wrote: post #17

Someone1234 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> not just related to jihad The prejudice is strong with this one. edit: Changed "racism" to "prejudice"

is it a race now?

Just as much as white/black are races.

A less snarky answer is that just like Jews there is a separation of cultural Muslims and religious Muslims, the former representing a race.

Re: Hacked: Private Messages From Dating Site ‘Muslim Match’

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Post by vox_mollis » Thu, Jun 30, 2016, 3:03 PM UTC

Someone1234 wrote: post #23

KON_Air wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

is it a race now?

And by "it" you mean the Islamic religion I assume? I don't see what distinction you're trying to make. Is it somehow more acceptable to be prejudice against an entire religion than it is to be prejudice against an entire race? Is that really the discussion you want to have, that some prejudice is acceptable and other prejudice is not?

Well, yes. The nominal standard here is whether the prejudice is against something the individual has choice over. One does not choose one's race, whereas once does choose one's own religion, even if raised in an environment suffused with it.

Choice and agency is the standard by which most people draw the line between generic prejudice and hate. It's no coincidence that gay rights dramatically improved along with widespread acceptance that, regarding sexual orientation, "I was born this way".

Re: Hacked: Private Messages From Dating Site ‘Muslim Match’

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Post by ss108 » Thu, Jun 30, 2016, 3:04 PM UTC

The comments about honor killings and stoning for adultery are a bit ridiculous. Honor killings usually happen in tribal and rural segments of Pakistan--not the kinds of people who use Muslim Match. Not all of the users are even from Pakistan, many were probably from the US and the UK, and a lot of the people on there were just genuinely looking for a spouse.

Do you guys really think that nobody has premarital sex in places like Pakistan? All that surfaces in the media are stories of some poor raped woman getting tried for adultery (usually in a Gulf Arab country, not Pakistan), or stories of honor killings. Those are real problems for sure, and the cultures of most Muslim countries have devolved during the past century in many ways, but a catalog of dramatic headlines doesn't capture what actually goes on in these countries and how people actually live.

I would expect the jump from "Muslim dating site" to "honor killings and stoning" from the comments section of a common newspaper, not Hacker News.

Re: Hacked: Private Messages From Dating Site ‘Muslim Match’

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Post by k-mcgrady » Thu, Jun 30, 2016, 3:05 PM UTC

coldpie wrote: post #25

k-mcgrady wrote: post #13

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>> "I expect the staff of the various network evening comedy shows to be combing through this for raw material" I would be disgusted if they did. It's private information. Just because someone stole it and made it public doesn't mean you should propagate it further.

You're absolutely correct, but I really wish we could get away from this idea that anything on the Internet can be private. If it's on the Internet, it should be considered public, especially if it's on someone else's servers. Maybe some day this won't be true, but today in 2016, it is. Don't put private data on the Internet.

>> "You're absolutely correct, but I really wish we could get away from this idea that anything on the Internet can be private."

I don't think that's possible. It's too integral. Think about communications you make that are intended to be private between you and the person receiving it (your doctor, the government). No matter how important the communication I think in 10-20 years there will be no option to snail mail that. Snail mail could be 'hacked' much easier but there are laws in place to prosecute people for violating that expected privacy. The same thing should happen with communications online. Of course this all depends on your views on privacy. I believe privacy is a essential right, one which we must defend or there will be severe consequences. It's very difficult to do that online but just saying 'anything you post online should be considered public' erodes privacy rights massively as it is such an important communications mechanism.