Hacked: Private Messages From Dating Site ‘Muslim Match’ • Hacker News Board

Re: Hacked: Private Messages From Dating Site ‘Muslim Match’

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Post by ohitsdom » Thu, Jun 30, 2016, 2:26 PM UTC

dsfyu404ed wrote: post #18

k-mcgrady wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> "I expect the staff of the various network evening comedy shows to be combing through this for raw material" I would be disgusted if they did. It's private information. Just because someone stole it and made it public doesn't mean you should propagate it further.

I think "this one guy writes said $stuff" "and she replied $morestuff" followed by a punch line that draws on some fairly recent gaff by a (Muslim) head of state, diplomat, CEO, etc is sufficiently within the envelope of what's acceptable. You don't have to reveal names and details to be funny.

Except that then encourages people to go through the leaked info to find more "funny" stuff.

Re: Hacked: Private Messages From Dating Site ‘Muslim Match’

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Post by douche » Thu, Jun 30, 2016, 2:27 PM UTC

KON_Air wrote: post #17

Someone1234 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> not just related to jihad The prejudice is strong with this one. edit: Changed "racism" to "prejudice"

is it a race now?

Words no longer actually have meaning, or did you not get the memo?

There was a meeting scheduled to go over it, but it was on Google Calendar...

Re: Hacked: Private Messages From Dating Site ‘Muslim Match’

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Post by Someone1234 » Thu, Jun 30, 2016, 2:28 PM UTC

KON_Air wrote: post #17

Someone1234 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> not just related to jihad The prejudice is strong with this one. edit: Changed "racism" to "prejudice"

is it a race now?

And by "it" you mean the Islamic religion I assume?

I don't see what distinction you're trying to make. Is it somehow more acceptable to be prejudice against an entire religion than it is to be prejudice against an entire race? Is that really the discussion you want to have, that some prejudice is acceptable and other prejudice is not?

Re: Hacked: Private Messages From Dating Site ‘Muslim Match’

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Post by FreedomToCreate » Thu, Jun 30, 2016, 2:34 PM UTC

bmmayer1 wrote: post #8

This is a serious security threat for many Muslims abroad, given that premarital sex is severely punishable in several Islamic countries (including Pakistan mentioned in the leak), and even within countries where it isn't punishable by law, those who get caught frequently risk honor attacks from their families as has happened in the US, UK, India and elsewhere. Obviously dating != sex but there's probably enough 'smo…

Its a sad reality of the culture prevalent amongst poor and rich muslims. Hopefully no one becomes a target of any blasphemy laws.

With that said, as someone who grew up as a direct witness to honor cultures and strong religious roots, labelling people who carry out violence as sadist is deluding yourself to reality. This isn't sadism, this isn't even fundamentalism. This is basis of a culture in which honor and religion are above anything else, and anything which deviates from the set rule is eliminated. Not doing so is considered outside the norm.

For an easy read on honor cultures, check out chapter six of Malcolm Gladwell's Outliers and also watch HBO's doc on honor killings called A girl in the river.

Re: Hacked: Private Messages From Dating Site ‘Muslim Match’

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Post by coldpie » Thu, Jun 30, 2016, 2:35 PM UTC

k-mcgrady wrote: post #13

dsfyu404ed wrote: post #5

If anything this will just show that generally speaking people are people. Regardless, I expect the staff of the various network evening comedy shows to be combing through this for raw material and will be disappointed if (after this hits mainstream media) those shows don't throw around some politically incorrect jokes. edit: my comment was misinterpreted. I meant jokes along the lines of "this guy is very religious,…

>> "I expect the staff of the various network evening comedy shows to be combing through this for raw material" I would be disgusted if they did. It's private information. Just because someone stole it and made it public doesn't mean you should propagate it further.

You're absolutely correct, but I really wish we could get away from this idea that anything on the Internet can be private. If it's on the Internet, it should be considered public, especially if it's on someone else's servers. Maybe some day this won't be true, but today in 2016, it is. Don't put private data on the Internet.

Re: Hacked: Private Messages From Dating Site ‘Muslim Match’

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Post by dreamsofdragons » Thu, Jun 30, 2016, 2:38 PM UTC

Swennemans wrote: post #19

Wow no HTTPS, makes you wonder what security measures they did take.

None, obviously. If you don't have https, you don't even have the illusion of security.

Re: Hacked: Private Messages From Dating Site ‘Muslim Match’

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Post by rm_-rf_slash » Thu, Jun 30, 2016, 2:39 PM UTC

Given the other comments here and the longtime and blatant surveillance of Muslims by the FBI and NYPD, to name a few alphabet agencies, one would imagine that there is ample market opportunity in providing secure services and communications for Muslim clients. Might even have Islamic-appropriate functionality, such as allowing families to discuss potential marriages but forbidding the presumptive couple from communicating directly, or facilitating Islamic loans in a similar fashion to WeChat Pay.

Or maybe there is and I don't know about it since there aren't that many Muslims in my community or social circles. So if that's the case...success?

Re: Hacked: Private Messages From Dating Site ‘Muslim Match’

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Post by dsfyu404ed » Thu, Jun 30, 2016, 2:42 PM UTC

ohitsdom wrote: post #21

dsfyu404ed wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think "this one guy writes said $stuff" "and she replied $morestuff" followed by a punch line that draws on some fairly recent gaff by a (Muslim) head of state, diplomat, CEO, etc is sufficiently within the envelope of what's acceptable. You don't have to reveal names and details to be funny.

Except that then encourages people to go through the leaked info to find more "funny" stuff.

the people that will dig through this for negative purposes will do it regardless of who makes jokes about it.

If my info (I'm not muslim) was leaked in a dump I wouldn't care if some intern in an office somewhere went through it to find something useful as long as long as a large fraction of it isn't published all together.

Re: Hacked: Private Messages From Dating Site ‘Muslim Match’

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Post by x5n1 » Thu, Jun 30, 2016, 2:43 PM UTC

> This is a serious security threat for many Muslims abroad.

It's not a threat. It's a wake up call. The less you can bury all that goes on under the rug the less easier it is to justify repressive, hypocritical cultures like the cultures around Islam.

Re: Hacked: Private Messages From Dating Site ‘Muslim Match’

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Post by shrugger2 » Thu, Jun 30, 2016, 2:45 PM UTC

x5n1 wrote: post #29

> This is a serious security threat for many Muslims abroad. It's not a threat. It's a wake up call. The less you can bury all that goes on under the rug the less easier it is to justify repressive, hypocritical cultures like the cultures around Islam.

I feel exactly the same way. If whatever group you belong to would condemn you for choices you make about your own personal lifestyle, maybe it's that group that needs to be condemned. Islam is a threat to the rest of the world.