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We built voice modulation to mask gender in technical interviews

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Re: We built voice modulation to mask gender in technical interviews

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post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it would be amazing if they could combine this voice-modulation technology with a facial motion capture technology (like in Avatar) to display artificial/shifting faces as well as voices. You could effectively create a computer screen-based version of the "scramble suit" used in A Scanner Darkly! http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0405296/mediaviewer/rm1872861440 I think a combined face+voice system would be even mo…

Wouldn't that just increase the problem that the person you are responding to brought up? If you capture their facial movements, it might be even easier to tell if they are a man or a woman, despite any scrambling you do.

Quite possibly! That's the extra dimension added to the experiment. :)

It would be even more fascinating if you could cluster facial expressions or motions as "more female" or "more male". And for bonus points, work out a way to "filter" or "smooth" the facial signal to reduce/remove these giveaway hints (or insert false hints).

Re: We built voice modulation to mask gender in technical interviews

#72
Hiring is a complex process that is extremely subjective accross role, organization and sub-sector of the tech industry. To the extent this result is correct within the population of interviewing.io; it is in fact quite positive on many levels, if unfortunate on others. Specifically-- again accepting the methodology used here, interviewers are unbiased in their reviewing.

If we consider simply this subset however, I suspect there are several factors which contributed to this result:

* As indicated by others, it was unclear if this actually successfully modulated voice AND that other factors of influence did not leak gender to the interviewer.

* interviewing.io may simply attract men who are better than women.

* The current climate provides a lot of resources and support for women entering tech. Many organizations have made a large push to hire women and thus the top and mid tier women (who are significantly less numerous than male counterparts) are hired into organizations and thus not applying here.

* places where candidates learn about interviewing.io could differ based on gender. A contrived example being males learning about it on HN, while female counterparts learning about it through a short part-time coding bootcamp.

* there was an experience gap or significant skill gap between genders. This was alluded to above.

* women on interview.io are generally worse programmers or perform worse in technical interviews.

* not enough data for statistical significance.

This is a pretty interesting result and could actually be a positive thing for interview.io. It is possible they are objectively evaluating candidates and it is simply a marketing problem which they can adjust for.

There are also some non-trivial differences between men and women which likely matter even in this context. Amy Cuddy does an amazing TED talk (and a longer one as well) about poses and cues and their effects on perception.

If the idea of this investigation was to make a larger observation about the industry, it would be interesting if they could correct for experience & skill level possibly by something completely objective like HackerRank for example. If seperated into 3 skill bands, it would be interesting to compare the actual interview results accross similarly skilled populations. To correct for bias it may be useful to tell interviewers the candidates will be anonymized modulating both voices to try and have both genders voices sound alike as a single neutral voice, ideally while still allowing for pitch and intonation.

Be interested to see a follow up as the site receives more candidates and exposure and grows their organization, ect.

Re: We built voice modulation to mask gender in technical interviews

#73
Hiring is a complex process that is extremely subjective accross role, organization and sub-sector of the tech industry. To the extent this result is correct within the population of interviewing.io; it is in fact quite positive on many levels, if unfortunate on others. Specifically-- again accepting the methodology used here, interviewers are unbiased in their reviewing.

If we consider simply this subset however, I suspect there are several factors which contributed to this result:

* As indicated by others, it was unclear if this actually successfully modulated voice AND that other factors of influence did not leak gender to the interviewer.

* interviewing.io may simply attract men who are better than women.

* The current climate provides a lot of resources and support for women entering tech. Many organizations have made a large push to hire women and thus the top and mid tier women (who are significantly less numerous than male counterparts) are hired into organizations and thus not applying here.

* places where candidates learn about interviewing.io could differ based on gender. A contrived example being males learning about it on HN, while female counterparts learning about it through a short part-time coding bootcamp.

* there was an experience gap or significant skill gap between genders. This was alluded to above.

* women on interview.io are generally worse programmers or perform worse in technical interviews.

* not enough data for statistical significance.

This is a pretty interesting result and could actually be a positive thing for interview.io. It is possible they are objectively evaluating candidates and it is simply a marketing problem which they can adjust for.

There are also some non-trivial differences between men and women which likely matter even in this context. Amy Cuddy does an amazing TED talk (and a longer one as well) about poses and cues and their effects on perception.

If the idea of this investigation was to make a larger observation about the industry, it would be interesting if they could correct for experience & skill level possibly by something completely objective like HackerRank for example. If seperated into 3 skill bands, it would be interesting to compare the actual interview results accross similarly skilled populations. To correct for bias it may be useful to tell interviewers the candidates will be anonymized modulating both voices to try and have both genders voices sound alike as a single neutral voice, ideally while still allowing for pitch and intonation.

Be interested to see a follow up as the site receives more candidates and exposure and grows their organization, ect.

Re: We built voice modulation to mask gender in technical interviews

#74
post #49

I'd be more interested in quantifying productivity and seeing if there's a systematic discrepancy between productivity and gender. Either the market is accurately pricing talent or there's a delta to be exploited. I think if a paper was released tomorrow that said "female programmers 30% undervalued as observed by double blind coding challenge" head hunters would fix that problem overnight.

I think that the problem with your theory is that it relies on the idea that success on a coding challenge translates directly to value as an employee.

I have managed many developers...... some of the ones that are the best coders are NOT the most productive nor the most valuable employees. There are a lot of skills that are needed besides ability to code.

Re: We built voice modulation to mask gender in technical interviews

#75
post #28

> Maybe tying coding to sex is a bit tenuous, but, as they say, programming is like sex — one mistake and you have to support it for the rest of your life. Hilarious! But I wonder if it is true.

Less and less true as most companies move towards a more agile development cycle

Re: We built voice modulation to mask gender in technical interviews

#76
post #55

Is anybody studying the reasons behind the huge gender disparity in roofing, welding or kindergarten teaching? I think there is a tremendous gender bias in those and other fields that is going unstudied, because nobody cares or because those fields aren't as cool or important .

Surgery has a large gap to but I rarely hear it brought up in these discussions.

http://www.ama-assn.org/ama/ama-wire/post/medical-specialtie...

Re: We built voice modulation to mask gender in technical interviews

#77
post #49

I'd be more interested in quantifying productivity and seeing if there's a systematic discrepancy between productivity and gender. Either the market is accurately pricing talent or there's a delta to be exploited. I think if a paper was released tomorrow that said "female programmers 30% undervalued as observed by double blind coding challenge" head hunters would fix that problem overnight.

Are you sure that a single data point like this would overthrow the "Intuition" of recruiters? If I understand [1] correct, thats fairly unlikely.

[1] http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1754-9434.2008....

Re: We built voice modulation to mask gender in technical interviews

#78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What evidence do you have that some speaking patterns are more common with women? Can you link to some data? Edit: Lots of opinions here. Still no data.

I don't know about cues in spoken English, but you can find relevant articles about written text from this page: https://civic.mit.edu/blog/natematias/best-practices-for-eth... Read under "Inferring Gender from Content".

I did. That section is primarily discussing analysing the pronouns used to find a gender of the target, or exploit word based genders in those languages (French in one instance) that support it.

Other examples were a selective study on Twitter, where the experimenters don't even know the true gender, or even humanity, of the user. The author of the section seems to disclaim the entire idea, somewhat (as it probably should be).

I was looking for something that could hold up to the claim that individuals of the same gender do, in fact, have common speech patterns. For example, "this pattern has only been observed with women", and, "this pattern has only been seen with men".

Re: We built voice modulation to mask gender in technical interviews

#79

I always felt they should do something like this for politicians during a race. No names, age, gender, political leanings, etc. Just interviews and debate.

Not sure exactly what you mean. But some kind of anonymous/pseudonymous debate or interview process would not be a good idea, even though it would have some nice benefits in theory. For example, it would be easy for a malicious candidate to profess views opposite to what he believes in order to be elected. Then he could pursue his actual policies after taking office.

Oh, wait, this happens now... :( But it would be even easier without true identity and non-verbal cues, etc. Words on a screen/page could be written by anyone.

Real identity is crucial, because what matters more than words is actions, and only with a real name, face, and history can past actions be examined to determine whether the person lives up to their rhetoric. If political history teaches us anything, it should teach us to pay less attention to what politicians say and more attention to what they have done.

So, as interesting as debates can be, maybe we need less of those and more examination of candidates' past. If we really want to know what a candidate believes and what he will do if elected, we should look at what he's done in the past.

Re: We built voice modulation to mask gender in technical interviews

#80
post #3

I had a demo from Aline on this last week after seeing it on Twitter and reaching out. It was a really interesting experience - it masks the voice pitch but leaves the person's characteristic of speaking (is there a word for that?) intact. You can also access the recordings after-the-fact to hear how you did. I think this is valuable for candidates who want to improve their interviewing skills. FWIW, I heard it both…

> person's characteristic of speaking (is there a word for that?)

I think you're talking about prosody: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosody_(linguistics)

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