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Hillary Clinton Announces Tech Plan

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Re: Hillary Clinton Announces Tech Plan

#31
2 things to remember.

1) "Fix Copyright" probably means TPP

2) Hillary uses a blackberry because she doesnt know how to use a computer http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/27/us/politics/hillary-clinto... nor does she password protect her own computer http://dailycaller.com/2016/05/26/shocking-deposition-hillar...

Re: Hillary Clinton Announces Tech Plan

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> attaching a green card to the diplomas of foreign-born students earning STEM degrees. HAH! I knew this was going to be in there. Of course it's a gigantic bailout to the universities. STEM grad programs are already full of foreign nationals trying to get a slot in the advanced degree H1-B track. This would absolutely turbocharge that: buy a degree from whatever fourth rate American university for $xxx,xxx and value…

This makes me want to cry when I think of all the scummy cheating students I went to college with and the way my school refused to deal with their behavior.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It favors companies that hire engineers (vs. those that don't) and may lower engineer wages. Whether or not these are negative depend on your view.

What's the negative view on "it favors companies that hire engineers over those that don't"?

It is a market distortion. It favors the industry that is getting government support, taking away valuable resources from other industries that would do better in a free market.

Practically, HN is pro-engineering, so we likely approve of such moves. Similar subsidies in other industries might not be viewed as favourably.

Personally, I am not against it, because as someone who has many of his peers playing a zero-sum game in mathematical finance, I've seen some of the downsides the top talent being allocated where the free market desires them most.

Re: Hillary Clinton Announces Tech Plan

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> attaching a green card to the diplomas of foreign-born students earning STEM degrees. HAH! I knew this was going to be in there. Of course it's a gigantic bailout to the universities. STEM grad programs are already full of foreign nationals trying to get a slot in the advanced degree H1-B track. This would absolutely turbocharge that: buy a degree from whatever fourth rate American university for $xxx,xxx and value…

America has an amazing ability to attract the most high-quality immigrants, and an even more amazing ability to screw this up. Just give a green card to whomever can get a sufficiently high SAT score. This would start an insanely powerful brain drain in America's favour.

I have seen Asian students going to some third-level schools here and riding the job market with multi-level consulting scam ladder.

Having an "Elite University Group" based upon research work/ NSF funding, can surely help in determining both, the right university pool and attractive STEM talent.

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there is no reason to link to usatoday over the actual post, i move to replace the link https://www.hillaryclinton.com/briefing/factsheets/2016/06/2...

Good catch. In fact, after a quick glance, the original post appears more informative than the usatoday. I 2nd the motion.

Re: Hillary Clinton Announces Tech Plan

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I realize that Clinton -- like any candidate -- has a platoon of advisers for a wide variety of topics, and it is these people (rather than the candidate) who comes up with the proposed policy. But I can't help but immediately think that this was the candidate who disregarded the sound advice of the IT and security professionals in the State Department and had an entirely different bunch of people set up a faulty alt…

> ...faulty alternative email service... Do you have a source for this? It was my impression that nothing was out of the ordinary about her email server, and the rules around it were vague.

No source needed. She used a non-government issued email server running out of her home. The server wasn't official and didn't meet the standard security requirements of the government.

Top Secret and Classified information was taken and stored on a private server. That right there is illegal, there's no two ways about it. She should be indicted.

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> attaching a green card to the diplomas of foreign-born students earning STEM degrees. HAH! I knew this was going to be in there. Of course it's a gigantic bailout to the universities. STEM grad programs are already full of foreign nationals trying to get a slot in the advanced degree H1-B track. This would absolutely turbocharge that: buy a degree from whatever fourth rate American university for $xxx,xxx and value…

That is a pretty myopic thing to say. One of the biggest issues for the US higher ed system is that foreign students who receive an education here often can't stay or have to face ridiculous hurdles. In many thousands of cases, you are also wrong about buying the degree: research grants to universities fund those students' tuition and stipends, in exchange for good work. Address the inflation of university budgets at…

Currently foreign students have to weigh the possibility that they won't be able to stay against the cost of the program. And nonetheless American programs are absolutely full of foreign nationals and this is especially true of grad programs which gives one an H1-B priority.

If this program gets created universities will absolutely not have to address the inflation of their budgets because it'll be raining out of state tuition payers.

If, on the other hand, universities went back to educating mostly local kids with tax subsidies then they'd have to face a stark reckoning about their mushrooming budgets and we may have to have a national discussion about education funding. None of this sounds good to Hillary Clinton so instead she'll just try to open the sluice gates wider.

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> It proposes investments in computer science and engineering education . . . and attaching a green card to the diplomas of foreign-born students earning STEM degrees. These sound good in theory, but in effect they're an industry-specific labor subsidy. When the government "invests" in STEM education, what happens is that the companies that need to hire engineers save money both as a result of reduced training costs…

Isn't that a good thing? What would be some negative consequences?

I'd ask the manager of my local Starbucks, who has a PhD in Biology.

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> It proposes investments in computer science and engineering education . . . and attaching a green card to the diplomas of foreign-born students earning STEM degrees. These sound good in theory, but in effect they're an industry-specific labor subsidy. When the government "invests" in STEM education, what happens is that the companies that need to hire engineers save money both as a result of reduced training costs…

> These sound good in theory

I disagree.

> but in effect they're an industry-specific labor subsidy.

What do you mean, "but in effect" -- that's clearly why they are being advocated.

> When the government "invests" in STEM education, what happens is that the companies that need to hire engineers save money both as a result of reduced training costs and as a by-product of increased supply driving down wages.

This is win-win (for domestic labor and capital [which is less tied to the domestic market], respectively) when you are training your citizens to take in-demand jobs. Its lose-win (on the same terms) when you are subsidizing and incentivizing foreign students to consume domestic educational resources to take in-demand jobs.

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> attaching a green card to the diplomas of foreign-born students earning STEM degrees. HAH! I knew this was going to be in there. Of course it's a gigantic bailout to the universities. STEM grad programs are already full of foreign nationals trying to get a slot in the advanced degree H1-B track. This would absolutely turbocharge that: buy a degree from whatever fourth rate American university for $xxx,xxx and value…

That is a pretty myopic thing to say. One of the biggest issues for the US higher ed system is that foreign students who receive an education here often can't stay or have to face ridiculous hurdles. In many thousands of cases, you are also wrong about buying the degree: research grants to universities fund those students' tuition and stipends, in exchange for good work. Address the inflation of university budgets at…

> In many thousands of cases, you are also wrong about buying the degree: research grants to universities fund those students' tuition and stipends, in exchange for good work.

I think your parent was primarily referring to masters programs, not phd programs.

FWIW I am pro-immigration in general, but I do worry about expensive diploma mill masters programs becoming a way for wealthy immigrants to buy preferential treatment. It's a legitimate concern with any "masters == green card" scheme.

That said, anyone who opposes such a scheme for Ph.D. students or for highly quality masters programs is insane.

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