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Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed

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Re: Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed

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I'd highly recommend getting a tiny mp3 player (say Clip Zip, though they are now discontinued...) and a short light headphone cable. Why send audio wirelessly when the tech to play it is as small as the receiver? There are also headphones with built in players, I don't know how the quality of those is though.

Because it's impossible to stream music, podcasts and take calls ?

If you take calls at the gym then you are doing it wrong.

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I could not care less. - 1.0 to 1.2: Hard to pair, and very unreliable. First major version, I'm sure they'll fix it... - 2.0: More bandwidth. Still hard to pair, still unreliable. - 2.1: Adds "Simple Secure Pairing". Still hard to actually pair. Still unreliable. - 3.0: More bandwidth. More features. Still hard to pair, still unreliable. - 4.0: Bluetooth Low Energy released. Still hard to pair, still unreliable. - 4…

I'm so glad this is the top comment, and matches my experience 100%. If a product brags about its Bluetooth support, I immediately start losing trust in it. So many devices have such bad UX for pairing too, so I can't even get any communication about what I'm doing wrong. I think BT-enabled cars are the worst offender here. Some of them don't even provide obvious alternatives to the voice menu.

The only positive bluetooth experience I've had lately was playing the mobile game Spaceteam. Why is a 6-year-old free app the only example that comes to mind? My 1st-gen Pebble is still okay-ish; it does frequently disconnect but it usually manages to reconnect without intervention or disrupting itself.

(This rant bookends nicely into talking about how shitty smart TVs are too, but I'll try to restrain myself.)

Re: Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed

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I could not care less. - 1.0 to 1.2: Hard to pair, and very unreliable. First major version, I'm sure they'll fix it... - 2.0: More bandwidth. Still hard to pair, still unreliable. - 2.1: Adds "Simple Secure Pairing". Still hard to actually pair. Still unreliable. - 3.0: More bandwidth. More features. Still hard to pair, still unreliable. - 4.0: Bluetooth Low Energy released. Still hard to pair, still unreliable. - 4…

That's weird, I have a Pebble and the bluetooth is absolutely solid, even across my house. I've never had a good experience with desktops and bluetooth devices however. I wonder why drivers are so much better on mobile?

My bluetooth mouse, my android wear watch, and my wireless headphones all work fine with my computer, and phone. So I share the same thing as you were I see no issues with bluetooth. Even my car does bluetooth without any problems. It sounds like OP is experiencing driver issues rather than specific device issues.

Re: Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed

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Apple’s stylus has a pretty effective and reliable pairing method: just briefly plug it into the tablet. Too bad this method can’t be more generally used.

You get pretty much the same thing these days if both devices support NFC. Just get within range, and ding.

Standardise that and make it ubiquitous and then it's interesting. Apple has the advantage that they own their entire platform so they can adopt a new "standard" immediately.

Re: Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed

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The problem though is the Sun will negatively affect Bluetooth range. If you're inside it's great and you can go into multiple rooms depending on the materials / wall thickness between you and the device. Once you go outside on a sunny day if the phone isn't directly in the line-of-sight (and even then) you'll get constant disconnects. Using multiple headsets / headphones and phones (including iPhone and multiple And…

> Once you go outside on a sunny day if the phone isn't directly in the line-of-sight (and even then) you'll get constant disconnects. Using multiple headsets / headphones and phones (including iPhone and multiple Androids) and I have yet to have one that DIDN'T do this. Well, I've used wireless keyboards (Apple compact) and wireless headphones (Parrot Zik 2.0), and had zero disconnects under the hottest of Suns in s…

> What do you mean "line of sight"? How far were you? Was it behind some wall or something? With the iPad/phone on my pocket/bag I never had any issue.

Basically if the BT hardware itself was on the right side of my head then my phone had to be in my right pocket or I'd get semi frequent disconnects outside. So not really line-of-sight in visual spectrum terms but I have had so many observations with so many bluetooth headsets and headphones and different phones that I always believed the original article I read a long time ago about sun interference (which, of course, I can't find today).

It could certainly be something else but I most certainly have reproducible issues with using bluetooth outside versus inside my house or even car.

Re: Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed

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I could not care less. - 1.0 to 1.2: Hard to pair, and very unreliable. First major version, I'm sure they'll fix it... - 2.0: More bandwidth. Still hard to pair, still unreliable. - 2.1: Adds "Simple Secure Pairing". Still hard to actually pair. Still unreliable. - 3.0: More bandwidth. More features. Still hard to pair, still unreliable. - 4.0: Bluetooth Low Energy released. Still hard to pair, still unreliable. - 4…

I used to be in this camp. My Jawbone Big Jambox would never pair, never stay connected, the whole deal. But I then replaced it with a Marshall bluetooth speaker and it's just a dream. It connects immediately, on the first try, every time. It never disconnects. If it hasn't received audio in a while, it goes to sleep. Press the "wake" button and it immediately connects again.

I used to loathe bluetooth, but now I'm wondering if it's shoddy implementations that are to blame?

Re: Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed

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The only reason I like Bluetooth at all is because the alternative is a bunch of USB receivers plugged into my NUC. But I have to admit that it seems to work pretty well on my iPhone while years ago on other phones I had a lot of disconnects. I have one of the LG around the neck headsets and it's actually really good at this point. I'd like to see more BT headsets for PC hit the market. The only ones I could find wer…

>. I have one of the LG around the neck headsets and it's actually really good at this point. These are great but the real drawback that keeps me from going wireless is still the audio quality. Hopefully this upgrade will be the end of that.

I'm concerned about Apple possibly removing the 3.5mm jack. Removing the ability to use a headset + charge my phone at the same time is going to be a killer. I may switch back to Android if that happens.

I bought one of the very few 3.5mm cellphone headsets I could find (Voistek) for my wife and it works pretty well. We shouldn't be forced into choosing between wired up for charging or wired up for headset/headphones.

Re: Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed

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I could not care less. - 1.0 to 1.2: Hard to pair, and very unreliable. First major version, I'm sure they'll fix it... - 2.0: More bandwidth. Still hard to pair, still unreliable. - 2.1: Adds "Simple Secure Pairing". Still hard to actually pair. Still unreliable. - 3.0: More bandwidth. More features. Still hard to pair, still unreliable. - 4.0: Bluetooth Low Energy released. Still hard to pair, still unreliable. - 4…

In my experience, after my Bluetooth devices are paired, they seem to be rock solid. (I know - YMMV, "works on my machine", etc.)

Where things have gotten the messiest for me is when you connect multiple devices and the system has to make arbitrary decisions - e.g. when my wife and I are both in the car, whose phone should the car sync with? These are design decisions for which there is no exact answer.

Re: Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed

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I don't need more range or more speed. I need it to reliably connect and stay connected while devices are well within range of each other, and stop breaking every time I upgrade anything. Unfortunately that would require making it less complex, which is about as likely as a broken egg spontaneously reassembling.

I never understood why Bluetooth and NFC still aren't best friends. Pairing should be as simple as tapping.

I do have a bluetooth receiver with NFC. It's great!

Re: Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed

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I could not care less. - 1.0 to 1.2: Hard to pair, and very unreliable. First major version, I'm sure they'll fix it... - 2.0: More bandwidth. Still hard to pair, still unreliable. - 2.1: Adds "Simple Secure Pairing". Still hard to actually pair. Still unreliable. - 3.0: More bandwidth. More features. Still hard to pair, still unreliable. - 4.0: Bluetooth Low Energy released. Still hard to pair, still unreliable. - 4…

Just an aside: if you have Full Keyboard Access turned on (in System Preferences, Keyboard, Shortcuts) then the Bluetooth prefpane is fairly usable with just the keyboard. You can use Spotlight to open it, then tab between the controls and activate them with the space bar. You can toggle it on and off this way, and even remove devices. You may also be able to navigate the Bluetooth Setup Assistant to re-pair, but I didn't take it that far.

If you prefer wires, the new trackpad will work as a wired device as well if you just leave it plugged in. For some incomprehensible reason, Apple placed the Lightning port on the bottom of the new mouse so that one can't be used wired, but they weren't so catastrophically stupid with the trackpad.

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