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Re: Could the Scottish Parliament Stop the UK from Leaving the EU?

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Post by ck425 » Tue, Jun 28, 2016, 8:19 AM UTC

_Understated_ wrote: post #187

ck425 wrote: post #118

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Out of curiosity, why?

I wanted out of the EU to have control of the future of our country in the hands of the people we elected... I have no control over the elites in Europe. That was the primary (possibly only!) factor in my decision.

You have elected MEPs that make many of the decisions. Additionally in the UK currently you have a FPTP system that is arguably undemocratic and an unelected House of Lords (which I don't necessarily disagree with) so surely there are bigger easier fish to fry.

Re: Could the Scottish Parliament Stop the UK from Leaving the EU?

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Post by Nursie » Tue, Jun 28, 2016, 1:08 PM UTC

vmateixeira wrote: post #230

Nursie wrote: post #217

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Oh I'm not going to claim there aren't racists and xenophobes around. I'm outraged that all leave leanings are characterised that way. There are many good arguments and many bad ones that don't involve hatred of foreigners. "Take our country back" would, to me, meaning regaining full legislative control. Yes, this includes immigration, and yes I would limit that based on skills and an annual quota. I don't believe fo…

Well, I do believe that's racism. Why else would you limit someone coming over their skills? And I'm not saying that feeling racist is abnormal. I'd just prefer people to cut the crap. And I'm actually curious about what would those skills be as I don't believe that's a reasonable approach..

Your idea of racism is so wide as to be meaningless then. Sorry.

I feel no need whatsoever to defend myself from accusations of racism based on support of the idea of quota and skill-based immigration.

Re: Could the Scottish Parliament Stop the UK from Leaving the EU?

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Post by vmateixeira » Tue, Jun 28, 2016, 7:54 PM UTC

Nursie wrote: post #252

vmateixeira wrote: post #230

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Well, I do believe that's racism. Why else would you limit someone coming over their skills? And I'm not saying that feeling racist is abnormal. I'd just prefer people to cut the crap. And I'm actually curious about what would those skills be as I don't believe that's a reasonable approach..

Your idea of racism is so wide as to be meaningless then. Sorry. I feel no need whatsoever to defend myself from accusations of racism based on support of the idea of quota and skill-based immigration.

Well, first of all, quota and skill-based immigration is 'leave'. I thought you mentioned you didn't vote to leave..

Anyway, it was your vote, I don't really care.

My idea of racism, it sure is wide.

Who is John to limit people from going wherever they want, while trying to make a living? Does the place where John was born makes him different or special somehow? I consider this racism. Isn't John going to end up making bricks same way as the migrant?

It just sounds way more rational to let the market decide. If immigrants can't find a job in here I'm sure they will leave and move some place else. If they happen to find a job and contribute to our society, then this should mean they have their place here. They should be able to stay and live.

And I'm sure there will be plenty of jobs, without the need for a specific skill set, that they will be willing to do. Jobs that many people in this country refuses to accept, because 'it's just £7 an hour' or because 'I didn't study for this' or whatever.

Re: Could the Scottish Parliament Stop the UK from Leaving the EU?

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Post by djr96 » Fri, Jul 01, 2016, 5:24 AM UTC

Tomte wrote: post #151

fennecfoxen wrote: post #60

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I wonder if they could do something crazy and structure Brexit as as England, Wales, and northern Ireland seceding from the UK, without ever actually invoking the exit procedures. It would probably never happen and would be incredibly silly but it's interesting to think about if it could.

That idea came up in an Economist article, but I just don't see it. Would Scotland even want to keep the Queen?

It's alright, we can fire her afterwards.