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Re: New Cities

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I think "old cities" are pretty good too: the kind where they were built for people, rather than cars, and where you could build things without a dense thicket of regulations almost entirely unrelated to safety. Another thing that seems to work well is limiting the amount of up-front large scale projects and growing incrementally. No one can plan for everything ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_calculation_pro…

Cars have a place in cities but maybe they should be in tunnels underground or something. I view money locked up in real estate as money in a very suboptimal place. We pay too much 'rent' in general; it'd be far better to try to make housing/office space cheap and have people invest the extra money in productive assets.

I've seen a few city designs with an elevated pedestrian walkway on the third floor.

I think part of the problem is how to grow trees in that environment. We have pretty good data on how important greenery is to happiness.

I was sitting in a coffee shop the other day, looking across at a store front that has had a high rate of turnover. It's on the wrong side of a busy, complicated intersection, but the back half of the building is still in a high pedestrian traffic area.

It occurred to me that if they tore out the building and replaced it with an arcade, they'd solve several problems. They'd get more modest square footage store fronts on the edge of an existing retail area, and they'd break the psychological barrier that keeps people from going around the block.

Re: New Cities

#492

Why start from scratch? Just send 100,000 nerds and hipsters to Detroit or Buffalo with some VC funding and see what happens.

I agree with this approach. Whos gonna pay for 100,000 outlandish salaries? If they all only earned 10 usd an hour....You do the math.

Re: New Cities

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In a walkable city with small markets, you pop into the market as you walk past it on the way home from work, grab ~4 things for supper and carry them home. It takes about 5 minutes, and you do it 7 times a week. In a surburb, you spend some time making a shopping list to ensure you don't forget something, drive to the store, spend at least 30 minutes getting everything (it takes at least 5 minutes to walk from one e…

you pop into the market as you walk past it on the way home from work, We're not European, we're not going to be European...ever. We just don't "pop in" to some market while we're walking by. We pop-in while we're driving by or we plan to drive 5 minutes to an awesome supermarket. Just stop this constant crap about walking and "only if we're like some European village" crap that will never happen in America.

> that will never happen in America.

It happens a lot in New York City, and other dense urban areas in the US.

Re: New Cities

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The assumption here is without cars cities would be laid out exactly the same. What if there were by laws that every high rise above x floors has y retail space on the ground floor. In this case most of your daily needs would be serviced by a trip down. Once a week/month you may go to a larger store.

Being forced to live in a high rise apartment is very undesirable. Most people would choose to live in a single family house with a yard.

Many people would choose to live in a royal palace - but not many would choose to pay the full cost of their decision.

Cultural attitudes about apartments and raising children are just that - cultural.

Inner city problems are another kettle of fish.

Re: New Cities

#495

I don't want to be too negative since it's an admirable goal, but I can't help but feel like Gall's Law applies here. I suspect it's not really possible to design a great city. Consider Brasília for instance, it was designed from the top down, and it certainly some interesting properties. Being able to walk in a mostly straight line from arbitrary point A to point B is something I enjoyed about living there. And the…

> but I suspect that solving problems of existing cities will probably lead to better long-term results

Isn't this what local governments are all perpetually trying to do in every city?

The cool thing about this YC initiative is that it is considering such a drastic green-field approach. It may turn out not to work, but it seems worth trying when you look at how poorly the alternative often works (e.g. the gridlock in SF over housing).

Re: New Cities

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Just for your clarity, I downvoted the generic slur that you kicked things off with.

That's reasonable. I was pretty upset when I started writing the piece, and feel more rational now. However, by "aspie" I specifically mean someone detached from emotion and any sense of duty towards other people. Is there a better word you would suggest I could use?

> However, by "aspie" I specifically mean someone detached from emotion and any sense of duty towards other people. Is there a better word you would suggest I could use?

"People detached from emotion and any sense of duty toward other people" -- not every idea has a good single-word term.

Of course, that would still be an improper mass insult in the context in which it was used, but at least it wouldn't be using a slur for people with a particular mental health diagnosis.

Re: New Cities

#498
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Keep in mind I'm not speaking of everyone when I say this, but I do have a subset of the population in mind. Regarding the detatched engineer, here is just one example, although there are many: http://uptownalmanac.com/2013/08/tech-founder-complains-abou... In terms of the empathy and lack of spirit to the community, a cursory search through HN archives for the word "deserve" can summon a mountain of comments by peop…

The issue is that you broke HN's civility rules blatantly. Please don't do that again.

So if I were to reformulate everything into a more... pallatable form, you'd be willing to respond?

Re: New Cities

#499
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How much money is YC committing to this project?

The research phase won't be that expensive. If we built one it would require $tens of billions of capital, but we have some interesting ideas about how you might finance it.

Sam, I meant how much is YC funding on the research side? Shoot me an email, I know some people in Miami working on some related topics, happy to connect you.

Re: New Cities

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I live in NYC. I enjoy being able to take the subway to many world-class establishments in under 45 minutes. If/when I have children, I'm getting the fuck out of here. Many (most?) people do the same. There are huge numbers of people here, so of course there are lots of children here. They're either super wealthy, or really not living up to my standards for quality of life. (I was not raised in a big city.) If you se…

Same here. Also, the people who can afford it and have been in Manhattan their whole lives often have a car or two parked in garages. Brooklyn and Queens are still very car heavy as well. Also, after a while, those who can afford it (or those who can't but still spend) use Uber / Lyft / Gett / Juno / etc liberally. I haven't been in the subway for at least two months because I can't stand it anymore, and it's especia…

> "I feel trapped here."

Precisely.

My wife was rabidly anti-car (living in the northeast) until one summer a friend went out of the country and left their car with us. The precise word she used was "free" - we were free to get groceries on the fly, we were free to go out of town. We just had an enormous number of options open up to us, as our travel overhead / travel radius improved so dramatically.

It was freeing.

I never had to argue with her after that; when we had the chance to acquire a car, we did.

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