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Woman wins $10k judgment against Microsoft for forced Windows 10 upgrade

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Re: Woman wins $10k judgment against Microsoft for forced Windows 10 upgrade

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You can turn it off via group policy if you have windows enterprise. If you just want to complain that the cheaper version doesn't have the feature you want, and you don't want to pay the higher price for the version that does have it, that's your right, but I don't have much sympathy for that.

I have to pay to not be spied on? And you think that's acceptable?

You have to pay for Windows just like any other software the creators don't want to give away for free.

Re: Woman wins $10k judgment against Microsoft for forced Windows 10 upgrade

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> Her $10,000 figure reflected estimated lost compensation as well as the cost of a new system.

The article doesn't go into what she does for a living, so I'll leave the compensation part alone.

But why did she need to buy a new computer? Did Windows 10 flash her BIOS? Or is it just the standard "oh my computer is slow, better just buy a new one"?

Re: Woman wins $10k judgment against Microsoft for forced Windows 10 upgrade

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In my opinion, there is never a good time to restart. That is simply an artifact of the sad historical circumstances that led to the current state of operating systems. I don’t particularly enjoy waking up to all my programs are closed because Windows decided that tonight was the night that it restarted. It’s slightly better on MacOS, where programs using MacOS-specific APIs can restore their state on startup, but th…

One of the things I thought Windows 8 did really right was trying to instill into applications the lifecycle that they could be force closed/rebooted at any time and should be good at saving and restoring state across application starts. This is good beyond just system restarts and good in general to know that applications would typically come back to where you left off after the system losing connectivity or going t…

That's the very reason I didn't use any Metro apps on my work computer. They would get swapped out of memory and killed whenever I ALT+TABbed from them. Not joking. Every time I wanted to switch to a normal app for a second and then back to the Metro one, the latter would have to "restore" itself (and guess what, it never restored to the point I last left it).

Of course I know the reason - that's because my machine is memory constrained, I routinely run on ~90% RAM usage. But hey, that 8GB of RAM isn't here for vacation, it's to be used.

Personally, I find the mobile app lifecycle - which is where they took the idea from - to be incredibly annoying. I like to have control both when applications die and when they start up (which, on Android, is utterly unpredictable).

Re: Woman wins $10k judgment against Microsoft for forced Windows 10 upgrade

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> many/most distributions have major releases every 6-12 months, and the upgrade process is a lot more hit and miss. You might want to try a rolling release distro, something like Antergos (Arch + Tweaks)

This type of grass is always greener answer is why the Linux desktop experience is so poor. If someone follows that advice they may fix one issue they have but in return they get a whole new set of problems to discover and troubleshoot or run away from.

They say that using Linux is constantly solving some problems, only for the solutions to produce more problems for you to tackle. You stop when the next problem you face is not annoying enough to care.

Re: Woman wins $10k judgment against Microsoft for forced Windows 10 upgrade

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Ugh... I missed my opportunity. I upgraded the OS on my iPhone 3G and the thing ran soooo slow after that. It was so slow that it was almost impossible to use it. I should have sued Apple!!!

You can downgrade an iPhone 3G. Firmware signing started with the 3GS (and IIRC, that one was cracked, only the iPhone 4 and later firmware signing works as intended)

I downgraded my 3G. Google "whited00r'

Re: Woman wins $10k judgment against Microsoft for forced Windows 10 upgrade

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I have to pay to not be spied on? And you think that's acceptable?

You have to pay for Windows just like any other software the creators don't want to give away for free.

This point fails thrice: - I am paying for Windows already, that we've established does spy on me - The Enterprise edition is not available to be purchased by a regular consumer anywhere I can locate - The Enterprise edition doesn't allow the disabling of ALL reporting to Redmond, only most, and only via group policy which is hardly accessible to the layman.

Re: Woman wins $10k judgment against Microsoft for forced Windows 10 upgrade

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Windows 10 won't attempt to install unless it has enough space to complete, and they look for 16 GB. So what I suspect actually occurred is that your hypervisor was set up to misreport how much space as available to Windows, so Windows 10 tried to install on the space it thought it had, only to hit the wall on the "real" filesystem below. It is unlikely this ever would have occurred to anyone else in your family, unl…

What about if that 16GB gets used up while the install is in progress?

I think one of the 70,000 Microsoft employees just might have thought of that possibility before pushing the update.

Re: Woman wins $10k judgment against Microsoft for forced Windows 10 upgrade

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Their practices for downloading updates in Windows 10 itself are not much better. I tried following all the instructions to disable automatic updates on my Windows 10 pro laptop and still they got me with 20 minutes update at the time I needed my computer urgently. Windows behaves like malware these days and it's very sad to see.

Why are you disabling updates in Windows 10? I meant you're already on it. Updates are the most valuable security defense (next to never using anti-virus as it's a massive attack vector).

Because I don't want to have something running full screen only to have the update window quietly popup in the background to auto-shutdown my system in 10 minutes.

Because I don't want to sit around for 10 minutes waiting for updates to install before I can pack up my laptop.

Because I don't want to arrive somewhere ready to work/play only to have an additional 10 minutes and 2 restarts tacked on to my boot time.

Because I don't want to have random lag spikes nor frame drops in games as my system decides that now is the perfect time to download an update.

Disabling automatic updates isn't stupid if you're willing to manage them in a sane manner.

Re: Woman wins $10k judgment against Microsoft for forced Windows 10 upgrade

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The "XP situation" happened because Win7 sucked. You do not get to release an awful, backwards "update" to your software and then expect that people pay you for it on the grounds that you also can't be bothered to keep updating the old, good version. We have lost sight of the fact that software, operating systems included, is supposed to serve the consumer. Users choose to upgrade because there is a better version av…

The "XP situation" was not because Win7 sucked. Win7 has always been considered a successful and better upgrade to WinXP. I think you are thinking of Vista.

Possibly so.

Re: Woman wins $10k judgment against Microsoft for forced Windows 10 upgrade

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For the record, Linux does not do this, and it is an operating system.

If with this you mean requiring a restart then arent' you wrong? Ubuntu is linux, right, so it's an operating system, and it has stuff like /var/run/reboot-required.pkgs so it's not like all linux flavors out there don't ever require reboots. If you meant forced restarts at a given time (or whatever windows 10 does) then you're right. For now, and hopefully forever.

No, you're wrong. Ubuntu will not ever force you to reboot your machine. The most it will do is recommend a restart.
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