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Announcing .NET Core 1.0

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Re: Announcing .NET Core 1.0

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Post by manigandham »

616c wrote: post #122
jadbox wrote: post #28

I'd LOVE to see some Linux web/micro benchmarks... particularly against Java, Go, Node, Python.

Scott Hunter of MS did an interview not so long ago re .NET, Kestrel (the new libuv HTTP server they build), and their march to build up as a top contender for Tech Empower. http://dotnetrocks.com/?show=1291 They have a team who does it all for fun and has an impressive testing environment build out. Fascinating to listen to given today's new. I listened a few weeks ago myself. I have friends at work who liked C# and…

Even more details on .NET and Kestrel in a more recent episode just a few days ago: http://dotnetrocks.com/?show=1312

Re: Announcing .NET Core 1.0

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Post by mantenpanther »

I've mixed feelings about this release, because it seems a bit early to me. Some fundamentals will change soon (project.json replacement) and I am still not able to get debugging to work in VS Code on OSX. The whole situation in the .NET Core space was very confusing for the last months and this trend seems to continue. This is sad, because I'd love to code in C# on any platform and that things would just work as advertised on the website.

Edit: Debugging works now for me, after the .NET Core Debugger was automatically installed in the background!

Re: Announcing .NET Core 1.0

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Post by georgemcbay »

logfromblammo wrote: post #106
wvenable wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft is looking to do more data-driven design; this is the reason for all the telemetry in Windows as well. Raymond Chen pointed out an example where a button was removed File Explorer (prime real-estate) because the telemetry showed that hardly anyone ever pressed it. It's unfortunate they are so tone-deaf about the PR implications in Windows.

We have removed all the weapon deployment buttons from our nuclear subs, silos, and bombers, because telemetry shows that they are typically only pressed during unit testing. Since we only have two recorded events of someone deploying a nuclear weapon in a real-world scenario, it should be safe to relocate those buttons off the main console, and just use the auxiliary functions button, behind the kick panel, next to…

I know this is just meant in jest, but because the weapon deployment buttons are something you never want to be pressed on accident, ideally you really do want to obscure them behind layers and layers of user interaction.

If anything we had the problem of them not being obscured enough for a while (if the story of the launch codes being 00000000 across the board is true).

Re: Announcing .NET Core 1.0

#134

Post by sremani »

616c wrote: post #120
daveguy wrote: post #67

FYI, from the announcement. Probably the most important part at the end, italicized by me. Also note (elsewhere) that licenses are MIT and Apache2: .NET Core Tools Telemetry The .NET Core tools include a telemetry feature so that we can collect usage information about the .NET Core Tools. It’s important that we understand how the tools are being used so that we can improve them. Part of the reason the tools are in Pr…

So random question: I like when MS people come out and engage the community like we are responsible adults and not like moronic children who need hand-holding and cannot decide for ourselves. Since we all know the famous "Open Source is cancer" reign of Balmer oft-joked of here, I assume the related issue at hand is culture shift is good and less of a concern now, as opposed to a few years ago. But I am super happy w…

I think that kind of engagement is present on their github repos.

Re: Announcing .NET Core 1.0

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Post by 616c »

manigandham wrote: post #131
616c wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Scott Hunter of MS did an interview not so long ago re .NET, Kestrel (the new libuv HTTP server they build), and their march to build up as a top contender for Tech Empower. http://dotnetrocks.com/?show=1291 They have a team who does it all for fun and has an impressive testing environment build out. Fascinating to listen to given today's new. I listened a few weeks ago myself. I have friends at work who liked C# and…

Even more details on .NET and Kestrel in a more recent episode just a few days ago: http://dotnetrocks.com/?show=1312

My bad. I think I meant that one! There website without JS enabled is terrible these days, so I search around with Google and that was from a FB post I scanned.

Re: Announcing .NET Core 1.0

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Post by 616c »

sremani wrote: post #134
616c wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So random question: I like when MS people come out and engage the community like we are responsible adults and not like moronic children who need hand-holding and cannot decide for ourselves. Since we all know the famous "Open Source is cancer" reign of Balmer oft-joked of here, I assume the related issue at hand is culture shift is good and less of a concern now, as opposed to a few years ago. But I am super happy w…

I think that kind of engagement is present on their github repos.

Well, until it is not interesting for them as a PR strategy. I do not want to lose these people when the pendulum swings back the other way.

And you and I check Github. That does not mean anyone being engineering managers care. I am curious what else we can do beyond starring GH repos. I do that, I just do not like my lazy armchair form of support and worry I will lose a culture shift at MS I have quickly fallen in love with after years of reviling the company as a whole, short-sighted or not.

Re: Announcing .NET Core 1.0

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Post by sakopov »

atrudeau wrote: post #126

If I'm an experienced Python developer who develops a lot of websites and APIs using Django or Flask and SQLAlchemy, is there any reason to try this stuff? C# is a great language, but what about the libraries? What replaces Flask? What replaces SQLAlchemy? How do I deploy? Looking for some practical reasons to invest time on this if Windows development is not in my roadmap.

Flask - Nancy SqlAlchemy - EntityFramework, nHibernate Deployment - AppVeyor (cloud), TeamCity/OctopusDeploy (self-hosted)

Having said that, there is probably very little reason unless you're just doing it out of pure interest.

Re: Announcing .NET Core 1.0

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Post by daveguy »

616c wrote: post #120
daveguy wrote: post #67

FYI, from the announcement. Probably the most important part at the end, italicized by me. Also note (elsewhere) that licenses are MIT and Apache2: .NET Core Tools Telemetry The .NET Core tools include a telemetry feature so that we can collect usage information about the .NET Core Tools. It’s important that we understand how the tools are being used so that we can improve them. Part of the reason the tools are in Pr…

So random question: I like when MS people come out and engage the community like we are responsible adults and not like moronic children who need hand-holding and cannot decide for ourselves. Since we all know the famous "Open Source is cancer" reign of Balmer oft-joked of here, I assume the related issue at hand is culture shift is good and less of a concern now, as opposed to a few years ago. But I am super happy w…

I am looking into ways to move everything we do off of MS Tech completely because I don't trust their direction with Windows 10.

I posted this because I thought it was an interesting and relevant part of the announcement. If MS was this straightforward and transparent with Win10 (allowing easy disabling of telemetry and the option to control upgrades at all levels) then I wouldn't be looking at alternatives. Although off by default would be better, but they would get approximately zero feedback with that. Best would probably be ask on install with a checkbox easily unchecked.

Whoever decided their .net tools telemetry and messaging needs to be in charge of that aspect across all products.

Re: Announcing .NET Core 1.0

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Post by shanselman »

mcs_ wrote: post #128

sudo apt-get install dotnet-dev-1.0.0-preview2-003121 ... some second later... >> This software may collect information about you and your use of the software, and send that to Microsoft. Edit: Please visit http://aka.ms/dotnet-cli-eula for more information. The link is a 404 on GitHub

Fixing now...
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