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Woman wins $10k judgment against Microsoft for forced Windows 10 upgrade

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Re: Woman wins $10k judgment against Microsoft for forced Windows 10 upgrade

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Post by Spooky23 »

givinguflac wrote: post #49
themartorana wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have mixed feelings about this. I'm with you 100% on having the explicit opportunity to opt out of updates like this. That said, a large swath of Windows users are not nearly as technically literate as you and your mother are, and automatically helping people forward (if for nothing else, security fixes and ongoing support) is a Good Thing in my book (so long as it's free, and it is). There is no doubt there are co…

Support it if you want, but you seriously think it's OK for the PC to restart in the middle of a call? What if the user is doing something mission critical; it's acceptable to just wait an hour (or more likely several) to get back to work because "MS knows best"?? There is nothing to stop it from just doing it all over again either. I will never use Windows again because of this behavior.

Try being a fast-track user.

I get that volunteering to beta-test comes with some pain, but I literally went to go use the bathroom mid-day, and I came back to Windows 10 reverting to an older build. Bizarre.

Re: Woman wins $10k judgment against Microsoft for forced Windows 10 upgrade

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Post by jboles »

barefootcoder wrote: post #117
Someone1234 wrote: post #54

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I'm sympathetic both ways on this one. I think Microsoft went "too far" but I also agree that we don't want another "XP situation" with Windows 7. Effectively having 20%+ of the market on a super old OS holding back the industry and less secure. Microsoft claim they're planning to avoid this in the future by no longer releasing named new OS's, and instead just update Windows 10 for "free" forever. Basically the same…

I'm not sure what you mean when you say that's Apple's approach. One of my MacBooks is running Yosemite and has been receiving security updates. My other Macbook is running El Capitan, and I hear Sierra is coming out soon. Those seem to be named updates. Maybe they've announced something new for Sierra? Or maybe you were referring to the free updates?

They are all still named OS X.

Re: Woman wins $10k judgment against Microsoft for forced Windows 10 upgrade

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Post by 0xmohit »

This is a gem:

  A spokesperson for the company told the Seattle Times that it denied any wrongdoing and had dropped the appeal to avoid the additional expense of further litigation.
Good that in this case [0], Microsoft didn't sue to kid's parents aside from suing him.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_vs._MikeRoweSoft

Re: Woman wins $10k judgment against Microsoft for forced Windows 10 upgrade

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Post by vitd »

turnip1979 wrote: post #98
Guest98123 wrote: post #19

A few days ago I was visiting family, and my Mom was online Skyping relatives on her Windows 7 PC. She comes running into the other room and says her PC just restarted while she was talking, and now it says something about configuring Windows 10, even though she was always careful to opt-out of the constant requests to upgrade. So, we had to wait for it to install the OS, then decline the terms of service, then wait…

Something very similar happened to me + my old father (not tech savy). My parents have carefully written down steps on how to accomplish various functions (seems very unnatural to me but that is the only way they get things done on PCs). I went to his place yesterday and as part of the usual tech support, he said he couldn't open his email and was confused why. Turns out, his machine had upgraded to Windows 10. What…

>He refuses MacOs because of the stupid touchpad.

Huh? You can hook a mouse up to any Mac. Also, in what way are Mac touchpads different from Windows touchpads?

Re: Woman wins $10k judgment against Microsoft for forced Windows 10 upgrade

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Post by justratsinacoat »

lloeki wrote: post #113
15charlimit wrote: post #68

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> we don't want another "XP situation" with Windows 7 If Microsoft had really wanted to avoid that, they'd have made Windows 10 actually attractive to the end user and the tech people that would recommend it to the end user. Instead they jammed it chock-full of spyware and malware-tier garbage that nobody wants, and treat the installbase as a testbed for forced updates that could easily (and have) render machines ino…

> Instead they jammed it chock-full of spyware and malware-tier garbage that nobody wants Can people stop spreading this meme? Worst case, anonymized telemetry is hardly spyware. > Windows 10 actually attractive to the end user It is, regular people around me love it. > and the tech people that would recommend it to the end user. I (and many) do, if only because it is immensely better than sticking to Win7 whose non-…

>MS made a couple missteps, but people just love to blow whatever MS does way out of proportion (the same way they do for Apple, only for other points) so instead of having reasonable discourse, all we have is a pile of knee-jerk reactions (not even flamewars!)

>We get it, MS is bad, Apple is bad, Google is bad bad bad. Oh nasty corps. Probably end user should stick to pen+paper.

>EDIT: not even a dozen seconds and downvotes are pouring in. Is it still possible to have some reasonable talk instead of yelling at each other?

Haha yeah I wonder why people have a problem with your comment?!???!?!?!?!? You're just so reasonable here!

Re: Woman wins $10k judgment against Microsoft for forced Windows 10 upgrade

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Post by AdmiralAsshat »

FussyZeus wrote: post #101
794CD01 wrote: post #91

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Where have they refused to be up front about any of this? As far as I'm aware, they have detailed all of those things except how exactly they anonymize the data, which I haven't seen anyone specifically ask them about.

There's no way to turn it off. It says it's turned off, and it's still sending shit to Redmond. That's unacceptable and deceptive. I do not use software that lies to me, period, paragraph.

I suggest you check out Spybot Anti-Beacon. It will help you in turning some of those Telemetry services off.

https://www.safer-networking.org/spybot-anti-beacon/

Re: Woman wins $10k judgment against Microsoft for forced Windows 10 upgrade

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Post by PhasmaFelis »

WorldMaker wrote: post #140
Bartweiss wrote: post #92

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My biggest aggravation with Windows is the pattern of unapproved restarts. Sure, there's usually a setting to disable it, and a popup to delay it, but it's not really enough. The setting appears unreliable at best, and the popup is useless when it pops under fullscreen programs. It really only takes one ill-timed restart to damn an OS forever, especially when the restart is chased by lengthy (and impossible to declin…

The interesting thing here is that Windows 8, 8.1 and 10 all improved the Windows Update restart timing logic and made it more transparent. (There's a section that states "A restart is planned, Windows has determined the most likely idle time to try the restart is 3:43am" now, for instance.) In this case it's Windows 7's Restart logic that is old/bad (and long has been), not Windows 10, but Windows 10 of course is ge…

That's not an excuse. Microsoft can and has been pushing updates to 7 to enable the constant upgrade nagging. They've even been continually pushing new updates that get more and more naggy. There is nothing preventing them from including an update that makes 7's restart logic less sadistic, but they've chosen not to do that.

Re: Woman wins $10k judgment against Microsoft for forced Windows 10 upgrade

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Post by WorldMaker »

untog wrote: post #80
themartorana wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have mixed feelings about this. I'm with you 100% on having the explicit opportunity to opt out of updates like this. That said, a large swath of Windows users are not nearly as technically literate as you and your mother are, and automatically helping people forward (if for nothing else, security fixes and ongoing support) is a Good Thing in my book (so long as it's free, and it is). There is no doubt there are co…

It would be better if Microsoft hadn't stripped features out of 10 in order to ship it. For example, I use Windows Media Center in Windows 8. If I upgrade to Windows 10 it'll disappear and suddenly I won't be able to watch TV any more.

CABLECard is dead and until the FCC gets sabers rattling against the cable conglomerates for cable box reform (again) and (presumably) universal cable apps, it's tough for anyone to support TV on the computer. (Yeah, that leaves broadcast and broadcast is still open, but broadcast alone has never been a priority for Microsoft and there are still vendor/OEM apps that work with broadcast tuners in Windows 10, at least.)

The apps that Media Center was split into are getting better in Windows 10 and with the Anniversary Update and the Xbox One in mind are getting better support for running on couch screens again, but TV viewing is something that currently seems like it will take a while to sort out thanks to the cable conglomerate stubbornness and also the Xbox One needing to pivot and meet gaming stubbornness first over the fight to rebuild a modern Media Center (aka "OneGuide" now).

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