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Richard Feynman on getting laid: "You Just Ask Them?"

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Re: Richard Feynman on getting laid: "You Just Ask Them?"

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there has been a lot of focus on social dynamics and this type of stuff if it interests you, it's called pick up. for the longest time, mystery and neil strauss were the icons. i'm not sure who it is now, or if they have been replaced. i'd say the whole thing has died down since it got into mainstream television. all of those tricks don't work anymore because the girls know all about it. if you're really looking for…

Most girls still haven't heard about it or don't pick up on these things.

I actually spent last Saturday hanging out with a self-described pick up artist that mostly picks girls up during the day, in the street (he insists it's far easier than bars and clubs). The kind of stuff he pulled off right in front of me was mind blowing. At one point he literally had a girl he was talking to biting her lips and looking at him as if she was preparing to jump him then and there, and he got her to give him a neck massage right in the middle of a shop.

A lot of what he was using was routines. He'd tell a girl with a friend that she was so adorable and petite he could just pick her up and steal her away, for example.

Then he'd do it.

Without exception the girls absolutely loved it, and he'd joke with them about how her friend clearly wanted them to hook up since she didn't object when he "stole her away". In most cases their friend more or less turned into a cheerleader for him after that, and he got the girls number without fail in those cases.

Despite that, a lot of "pick up" has in any case transitioned into less stilted / scripted manipulative stuff and into "self help". E.g. companies like RSD that focus on being "natural" and improving yourself much more than routines.

Re: Richard Feynman on getting laid: "You Just Ask Them?"

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Out of 101 comments, no one mentions that this site is hosting an illegal copy of an artist's work? I mean, sure, the whole book is great... but shouldn't we be having a bit of respect for someone's intellectual property and not linking to it? If Gorgorat.com has permission to print the book, or it's now in public domain, then I'm the first to say link to that pup... but I didn't see anything on the site to say this.…

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Re: Richard Feynman on getting laid: "You Just Ask Them?"

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post #92
post #88

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Well, for the 14% of the population that works on, sure. Confidence is key, but there is a difference between a confident stud and a confident creep.

I'm not sure what a confident creep would be like. Confidence is confidence. A confident man knows restraint, and as long as he's good with restraint, he's not in danger of being a creep. It is good to play with expectations, to acknowledge them without actually "acknowledging" them. A creep wouldn't have the confidence to let this play out; they have to confirm that the other person is aware of the "acknowledgment"…

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Re: Richard Feynman on getting laid: "You Just Ask Them?"

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post #88

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the value in trying this and having it work is that you instantly understand just how little any of the surface bullshit matters. confidence. end of story. there is nothing else.

Well, for the 14% of the population that works on, sure. Confidence is key, but there is a difference between a confident stud and a confident creep.

The difference between a confident stud, and a confident creep, illustrated (sometimes comedy is the best way to make a point): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBVuAGFcGKY

Re: Richard Feynman on getting laid: "You Just Ask Them?"

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post #68

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I did read the whole article, but did not get the impression that it was meant to be a joke at his expense. That's just not supported by the text. The most he's willing to say is that "if it is done in the right way, you may be able to get something out of it [the female mind]." Hardly a U-turn. Also, the quote you referenced does absolutely nothing to show that RF regarded women as his mental equals. It just shows t…

Although, in Feynman's defence, practically no-one that he met in his life was his intellectual equal, man or woman... I think it's just that he was more willing to actually say that for women, whereas he obviously felt a social need to keep that thought to himself when it concerned men.

How does that make Feynman look better?

Re: Richard Feynman on getting laid: "You Just Ask Them?"

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Out of 101 comments, no one mentions that this site is hosting an illegal copy of an artist's work? I mean, sure, the whole book is great... but shouldn't we be having a bit of respect for someone's intellectual property and not linking to it? If Gorgorat.com has permission to print the book, or it's now in public domain, then I'm the first to say link to that pup... but I didn't see anything on the site to say this.…

The author's been dead for a while.

Re: Richard Feynman on getting laid: "You Just Ask Them?"

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post #76

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Because I do not want his charm to detract from the rest of it. (charisma > sexism) == wrong. Also, in my opinion, it is actually a bit sad that the lady says, "oh well, it's ok to be treated that way because he's a good teacher". This is exactly the kind of compromise that victims make too often. Bill Clinton was not even being sexist and he got tasered big time. I'm not sure why Feynman should get a pass.

The point is that he was somewhat sexist in some fairly normal ways, but at the same time he was extremely unsexist in ways that no one else was . Other people may have been more polite than Feynman in casual situations, but when it came to serious discussion he treated women (and students) as equals better than other people.

No, the point is that sexism is still sexism, even when sexism was (more) socially acceptable.

Re: Richard Feynman on getting laid: "You Just Ask Them?"

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post #84

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edit: http://www.pnas.org/content/106/22/8801.full Two recent studies directly address the question of whether greater male variability in mathematics is a ubiquitous phenomenon. Machin and Pekkarinen (19) reported that the M:F VR in mathematics was significantly >1.00 at the P ... Similarly, Penner's cross-nation analysis of the 1995 TIMSS data (20) showed that the proportion of girls scoring above the 95th percenti…

Well, I can do better than that in 5 minutes but that's because I have paid a lot of attention to this question. I think the most conclusive evidence that M/F math gaps are cultural in origin lies in international studies, where the gap ranges from negligible in progressive countries (eg. Scandinavia) to massive in less equal societies (eg Turkey). http://www.apa.org/pubs/journals/releases/bul-136-1-103.pdf Generally…

Wanted to do more than upvote this - after a quick read, the linked paper seems an unusually useful resource on this subject, and I certainly recommend others take a look. Thanks for the link!

Re: Richard Feynman on getting laid: "You Just Ask Them?"

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post #15

From: http://www.kurzweilai.net/articles/art0504.html?m=3 "The charming side of Richard helped people forgive him for his uncharming characteristics. For example, in many ways Richard was a sexist. Whenever it came time for his daily bowl of soup he would look around for the nearest "girl" and ask if she would fetch it to him. It did not matter if she was the cook, an engineer, or the president of the company. I once…

You cut off the quote. Why? Here is the rest: "On the other hand, he is the only one who ever explained quantum mechanics to me as if I could understand it." That was the essence of Richard's charm.

Are you suggesting that it is all right for a charming man to be sexist, but not an uncharming man?
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