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Could the Scottish Parliament Stop the UK from Leaving the EU?

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Re: Could the Scottish Parliament Stop the UK from Leaving the EU?

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Post by throwaway987611 »

No. Sturgeon is just playing up to her base.

Scotland is effectively a one party system, which is quite dangerous, never mind that the common man/woman do not see this.

The consequences for leaving the UK are well known. Companies aren't going to stay in because of Europe. They are going to move over the border.

Also. The UK rescued the Scottish banks. Scotland will have to take on half this debt. Will the EU bail out Scotland? Will there be Greece style terms?

So with the debt, companies leaving, not getting much tax receipts. How will Scotland pay for the FREE tuition, FREE healthcare, FREE this and FREE that, they like to promise? Is the EU going to be sending them FREE monies?

Finally and this is where I tend to laugh the most. Once Scotland joins Europe and the Euro. How is Scotland an independent state in Europe? How have Scottish people not realised this? Go look at Greece!

Scotland won't be able to control her economy. The EU bureaucrats will not do what's in her best interests. They'll do what's in THEIR best interests!

So what happens when Scotland no longer has control of her finances, can't pay for the FREE stuff. Oh and then slips into recession and the UK is doing better off? Yeah, that's the joke.

Oh and the UK won't let Scotland use the pound. I can tell you that now!

Re: Could the Scottish Parliament Stop the UK from Leaving the EU?

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Post by simonh »

jamescun wrote: post #8
robhu wrote: post #2

Clause 28 of the 1998 Act notes at sub-clause 7, in dry terms, with regard to legislative competence that "this section does not affect the power of the Parliament of the United Kingdom to make laws for Scotland." In that single little line is the subordinate nature of devolution. Generally, Westminster will let the Scottish Parliament get on with devolved legislation. Carry on governing. But it is also made clear th…

Correct. My view is that Scotland CAN veto, but Westminster can override that veto. It creates a brilliant scenario for Scottish politicians, particularly those who seek independence; by vetoing they gain the support of their constituents while kicking the toxic can down the road to Westminster politicians, who should respect the results of the referendum, creating louder calls for a second Scottish referendum.

They can only veto it if the legislation comes before the Scottish parliament for review, and it won't. What they can do is pass resolutions in Scottish law incompatible with Brexit that Westminster will have to repeal or get struck down in the courts.

Re: Could the Scottish Parliament Stop the UK from Leaving the EU?

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Post by learnstats2 »

seanalltogether wrote: post #9

The UK has a mandate from the people to leave the EU. Attempting to block the brexit over technicalities in Unionist agreements is a weak position for any politician to take. If the SNP believes they can successfully build a new mandate from the Scottish people to leave the UK, that would be a position of strength and they should work with that.

Politics is a game of chess - the suggestion of blocking Brexit is a tactic that the SNP can use to help get a second referendum on their terms.

Re: Could the Scottish Parliament Stop the UK from Leaving the EU?

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Post by whiteandnerdy »

davidgerard wrote: post #6

This is a lot of words to say "technically maybe, but they're not so stupid as to try without a lot of public backing."

I think the position is: technically no, practically almost certainly no, but politically it might be a sensible move for the SNP to strengthen support from Scottish voters.

Re: Could the Scottish Parliament Stop the UK from Leaving the EU?

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Post by paradite »

Tepix wrote: post #3

The old rule applies: If the headline ends with a question mark, the answer is "no".

I think this is a rather bad headline because it is effectively a clickbait, i.e. you won't know the answer until you click on the title and read the article.

Headline should summarize the main points in the news article as a statement, rather than posing a question to the reader.

Re: Could the Scottish Parliament Stop the UK from Leaving the EU?

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Post by mhandley »

About the only thing that might stop the UK leaving now would be for the new conservative leader to call a snap general election, thinking that labour are in serious disarray. Then labour campaign on not leaving the EU, and together with the SNP, win. The new labour/SNP government would be able to claim a mandate from the electorate to not leave.

I don't think it's going to happen though.

Re: Could the Scottish Parliament Stop the UK from Leaving the EU?

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Post by learnstats2 »

throwaway987611 wrote: post #11

No. Sturgeon is just playing up to her base. Scotland is effectively a one party system, which is quite dangerous, never mind that the common man/woman do not see this. The consequences for leaving the UK are well known. Companies aren't going to stay in because of Europe. They are going to move over the border. Also. The UK rescued the Scottish banks. Scotland will have to take on half this debt. Will the EU bail ou…

"the UK won't let Scotland use the pound" was an extremely effective argument that probably won the last referendum.

But you're going to need a new one: the euro just became a lot more credible than the pound as a currency for Scotland.

Re: Could the Scottish Parliament Stop the UK from Leaving the EU?

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Post by tallanvor »

seanalltogether wrote: post #9

The UK has a mandate from the people to leave the EU. Attempting to block the brexit over technicalities in Unionist agreements is a weak position for any politician to take. If the SNP believes they can successfully build a new mandate from the Scottish people to leave the UK, that would be a position of strength and they should work with that.

The referendum was non-binding. While a majority of those who voted said leave, the role of the government is to do what's best for their country and their people, and that's not always going to correspond to what a majority says should be done.

Re: Could the Scottish Parliament Stop the UK from Leaving the EU?

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Post by hollander »

How to get out of this mess: quit with this government, call for new elections. Then you make it an election subject: will we follow the referendum or not?! The referendum is advisory, not legally binding. So they can ignore it. If the new elections are clear and people vote 55% to stay in - it's a clear cut case.
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