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San Francisco man fights eviction after rent increase from $1,800 to $8,000

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Re: San Francisco man fights eviction after rent increase from $1,800 to $8,000

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post #6

Can San Francisco just hurry up and build some more high rises already?

Or people could just stop moving to SF already. Supply and demand works two ways, and it's not like the SF housing shortage is a secret.

But one of these is the market functioning correctly - people moving to places with good jobs. The other is the market being manipulated to serve the interests of a relatively small group of people - restricting housing supply.

Re: San Francisco man fights eviction after rent increase from $1,800 to $8,000

#13

Can San Francisco just hurry up and build some more high rises already?

Cramming even more people into San Francisco will make the traffic bad enough that tech startups will finally start working on flying cars. ;)

Re: San Francisco man fights eviction after rent increase from $1,800 to $8,000

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This appears to be a case where the landlord wants the tenant out, perhaps to live in the unit himself, or perhaps to sell it as a vacant unit, but for various legal reasons it's impossible or unattractive to take the simple path of saying, "I decline to rent to you anymore", and the landlord instead is going with the effectively equivalent option of raising the rent to approximately infinity.

I don't believe they expect the current or a future tenant to actually pay $8000/month. It's conceivable that they might lower it to far below $8000 as soon as the current tenant is gone, and then rent it out to someone else -- maybe the landlord just doesn't like this tenant.

Of course, none of this is allowed in a rent-controlled unit, and all pre-1979 apartments in San Francisco are rent-controlled, so my guess is that this hundred-year-old multi-unit building is actually a set of condos, and the owner of one had been renting it out to this tenant; in such a situation, rent control is generally not in effect, for the same reasons it's not in effect when one is renting out a single-family house.

Re: San Francisco man fights eviction after rent increase from $1,800 to $8,000

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I honestly wonder if anyone will pay that? If the landlord ends up having to rent it for something less, isn't this basically just using the rent to force out the tenant?

Or on the other hand, maybe the landlord has someone lined up already to pay $8000 a month. Either way, this is pretty insane. That kind of insanity is what just made me leave California entirely.

Re: San Francisco man fights eviction after rent increase from $1,800 to $8,000

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When I was at school participating in a legal clinic I had lots of clients facing eviction and we had plenty of tricks to use. Most popular was to demand a jury trial, which could take a month or two to organize, during which time the tenant wasn't paying rent and so could save enough to move. The basic procedure: http://www.courts.ca.gov/27723.htm

Kind of shocked to hear about this happening at a "legal clinic". I'm familiar with the business structure behind these types of programs and they're invariably seedy characters involved with a paralegal group and lots of cold calling. Clogging up the courts so you can avoid paying rent...shrug

Re: San Francisco man fights eviction after rent increase from $1,800 to $8,000

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My landlord recently put up a rental for $9,500/mo. The backstory is interesting: he told me someone had been staying at the place paying $700/mo. He cut a deal with that tenant where the tenant moves to a much smaller unit and instead of paying $700, only paying $300/mo. So overall, tenant gets to pay less and the landlord has a chance to make additional 5-6K/mo.

Re: San Francisco man fights eviction after rent increase from $1,800 to $8,000

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post #15

I honestly wonder if anyone will pay that? If the landlord ends up having to rent it for something less, isn't this basically just using the rent to force out the tenant? Or on the other hand, maybe the landlord has someone lined up already to pay $8000 a month. Either way, this is pretty insane. That kind of insanity is what just made me leave California entirely.

I was also curious about exactly this.

This unit also was listed for $8k/month and is about a block away: http://www.apartments.com/1818-mason-st-san-francisco-ca/3pq...

Re: San Francisco man fights eviction after rent increase from $1,800 to $8,000

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In no way am I defending the landlord, and I know nothing about the rents in that area of SF, but the news clip fails to state when the last increase was. It also doesn't mention how large the apartment is, or what a comparable rental in that area would be. The renter says he's been living there a long time. If the rent hasn't increased in 20 years, there may be an expectation of an increase at some point. That doesn…

San Francisco has a rent control ordinance that caps the rate at which rent can rise. The problem is that about 50% of units in San Francisco no longer qualify for rent control (newer units, rebuilt buildings, and certain types of residences do not qualify).

It has become extremely competitive for those rent controlled units and those units distort the rental prices for the non-rent controlled units (the market prices are forced upwards while the rent controlled prices are fairly stagnant).

Also, landlords would obviously like to be able to collect more rent for the same unit if that's what the market would allow, thus there is financial incentive to find/create loopholes in that ordinance.

Re: San Francisco man fights eviction after rent increase from $1,800 to $8,000

#20
post #6

Can San Francisco just hurry up and build some more high rises already?

Or people could just stop moving to SF already. Supply and demand works two ways, and it's not like the SF housing shortage is a secret.

So what do you suggest the companies do that already exist in the area when they need more employees? "Tough shit"? That likely won't work in a free market :)

Finding a place to live there absolutely sucks and I hope someone eventually makes progress towards fixing it but I'm not sure telling people to stop taking good jobs is going to fly.

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