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Introducing Soylent 1.6 Powder

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Re: Introducing Soylent 1.6 Powder

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Post by mkolodny »

_qbjt wrote: post #26
mkolodny wrote: post #20

I've stopped drinking Soylent since I found out that it contains more than the recommended amount of soy in a single meal. Excess soy has been found to "feminize" men [1]. It also "may cause some reversible sexual disruption in men". Researchers decided the safe amount of soy (isoflavones) in a single day is 75mg [2]. If you drink Soylent as one of three meals in a day, Soylent contains about 87mg (52mg * 5 bottles /…

This is empirically wrong. Soy contains phytoestrogens which have no effect on the human endocrine system. You are more likely to become "feminized" by consuming cow's milk, which contains mammalian estrogen.

I'd love for that to be true, but the research I linked to says otherwise. If you have research you could point me to that supports what you're saying I'd be happy to read it.

Re: Introducing Soylent 1.6 Powder

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Post by gnoway »

jey wrote: post #25

I'm amazed the powder is still selling well enough to warrant further development after the release of the drink form. It's it primarily an issue of the drink being too expensive for many?

I quit buying the powder earlier this year, but never considered the drink. I don't want to be tossing a bunch of empty bottles or paying to ship a liquid; it's honestly a little weird that they are prioritizing all this sustainable food stuff but want to truck a prepared liquid to me. The liquid does (or did, not sure now) cost more per kcal and comes in 400kcal bottles, so I would want 4-5 a day; they ship in 12 packs so I would be buying and shipping a lot.

I'm not sure I buy the soy-feminizes-men stuff but it was also at the back of my mind. I don't particularly enjoy other soy things so I was disappointed when they went that route.

Re: Introducing Soylent 1.6 Powder

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Post by gnoway »

calebsurfs wrote: post #19

Does soylent include creatine? Its not an essential nutrient but if a human exercises a lot and does not eat meat, creatine levels can get very low. This leads to a lack of energy both mental and physical. Studies have shown [0] improved mental performance in vegans when supplemented with creatine. https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/evolutionary-psychiatry...

No it doesn't.

Re: Introducing Soylent 1.6 Powder

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Post by gnoway »

ubercow wrote: post #10
afarrell wrote: post #7

As someone who very occasionally gets very nervous about something to the point of not wanting to chew, soylent+chocolate powder in a blender bottle is really helpful.

How much chocolate powder do you usually use? I've been trying to experiment with different things to put in mine and haven't thought of chocolate powder before.

I was putting two heaping tbsp of cocoa powder per bag + a pinch of extra sucralose - the 1.4/1.5 soylent only had enough sucralose to offset the bitterness of some other ingredients, so adding 2+ tbsp of cocoa without something to balance made it taste bad.

Re: Introducing Soylent 1.6 Powder

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Post by mkolodny »

gnoway wrote: post #29
mkolodny wrote: post #20

I've stopped drinking Soylent since I found out that it contains more than the recommended amount of soy in a single meal. Excess soy has been found to "feminize" men [1]. It also "may cause some reversible sexual disruption in men". Researchers decided the safe amount of soy (isoflavones) in a single day is 75mg [2]. If you drink Soylent as one of three meals in a day, Soylent contains about 87mg (52mg * 5 bottles /…

This is the first version of the Soylent powder that has any appreciable amount of soy in it. Prior versions used soy lecithin as an emulsifier, but had no other soy.

Soylent 2.0 has had more than the daily maximum safe amount of soy in a single meal from the beginning. And according to the Soylent FAQ, Soylent powder already contained 53mg of soy/isoflavones per serving [1].

[1] https://faq.soylent.com/hc/en-us/articles/205682935-Soy-Prot...

Re: Introducing Soylent 1.6 Powder

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Post by MertsA »

mkolodny wrote: post #20

I've stopped drinking Soylent since I found out that it contains more than the recommended amount of soy in a single meal. Excess soy has been found to "feminize" men [1]. It also "may cause some reversible sexual disruption in men". Researchers decided the safe amount of soy (isoflavones) in a single day is 75mg [2]. If you drink Soylent as one of three meals in a day, Soylent contains about 87mg (52mg * 5 bottles /…

I've seen tons and tons of people pointing out that soy contains phytoestrogens but I've never seen a single study that showed that it had any significant effect on an adult male. I have seen studies that have shown no statistical difference between a diet high in phytoestrogens and a normal diet. Here's the abstract of an examination of 9 different clinical studies on the topic: http://www.fertstert.org/article/S0015-0282(10)00368-7/abstr... . Also, I'd like to point out that your first reference even states that a diet heavy in soy is unlikely to have any harmful effects. It also only provided two anecdotes of men with a hormonal problem and in both of those cases the cause was never determined.

I'd need to see some pretty strong proof before I am convinced that the amount of soy in Soylent is anything to be concerned about.

Re: Introducing Soylent 1.6 Powder

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Post by gnoway »

mkolodny wrote: post #35
gnoway wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the first version of the Soylent powder that has any appreciable amount of soy in it. Prior versions used soy lecithin as an emulsifier, but had no other soy.

Soylent 2.0 has had more than the daily maximum safe amount of soy in a single meal from the beginning. And according to the Soylent FAQ, Soylent powder already contained 53mg of soy/isoflavones per serving [1]. [1] https://faq.soylent.com/hc/en-us/articles/205682935-Soy-Prot...

This blog post, and my reply, was about the powder. 1.6 introduces soy as a major component for the first time, which is what I was trying to say earlier.

Edit: to clarify, 2.0 is a prepared soy-protein-based drink which, until now, had a very different formulation from the 1.x powder product.

Re: Introducing Soylent 1.6 Powder

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Post by DanBC »

galistoca wrote: post #9

Anyone know if there's anything like Soylent but for protein only? Sometimes I go on a no-carb diet (sometimes to lose weight and sometimes because carbs make me sleepy) and I am too lazy to buy ingredients and cook at home. I just want soylent, but with 0 carbs. Anyone know?

It's going to be tricky to find zero carb versions if you want reputable suppliers.

Regular: http://abbottnutrition.com/brands/products/eas-complete-prot...

Carb control: http://abbottnutrition.com/brands/products/advantedge-carb-c...

Re: Introducing Soylent 1.6 Powder

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Post by zhte415 »

galistoca wrote: post #9

Anyone know if there's anything like Soylent but for protein only? Sometimes I go on a no-carb diet (sometimes to lose weight and sometimes because carbs make me sleepy) and I am too lazy to buy ingredients and cook at home. I just want soylent, but with 0 carbs. Anyone know?

Whey powder.

A large tub, about 5kg, is inexpensive, about $50. Just search on Amazon or eBay.

But, it's a supplement. Can't like on whey alone.

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