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Re: Natron: Open-source compositing software for Mac, Windows and Linux

#11
As I understand it, this is basically an open source clone of The Foundry's Nuke software. Nuke is used widely in the VFX industry -- probably the dominant software in its niche.

I'm not knocking the effort it takes to clone its GUI, plugin API (OpenFX [0]), or basic plugins. But I'll also point out as an alternative that The Foundry offers a free non-commercial version of Nuke [1].

[0] http://openfx.sourceforge.net/

[1] https://www.thefoundry.co.uk/products/non-commercial/

Re: Natron: Open-source compositing software for Mac, Windows and Linux

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post #11

As I understand it, this is basically an open source clone of The Foundry's Nuke software. Nuke is used widely in the VFX industry -- probably the dominant software in its niche. I'm not knocking the effort it takes to clone its GUI, plugin API (OpenFX [0]), or basic plugins. But I'll also point out as an alternative that The Foundry offers a free non-commercial version of Nuke [1]. [0] http://openfx.sourceforge.net/…

The non-commercial version is a crippled trialware. Also you will get bitten very aggressively if you built your project in the first phase in a non-commercial version and some time later manage to get funding and want to import your work into a commercially licensed version - import will not work. Especially this looks like a proactive attempt to harm people - potential customers! - very stupid idea.

It is the same as everywhere else - honest users are seriously harmed by licensing policies while thieves are just using the latest torrent release.

Nuke is, no question, an industry leader, but an open source competitor will hopefully make the featureset of this kind of software more widely available also for projects with very low budget [while starting]. Meanwhile TheFoundry management should look at Unreal for licensing ideas.

Re: Natron: Open-source compositing software for Mac, Windows and Linux

#13
post #8

This looks superficially like Blenders Node based compositing engine. Some of their demo videos used blender as part of the pipeline. I wonder what a comparison with Blender would look like. Does it offer any value if you are already use Blender? Either way more Open Source competition in this space is a good thing. For a long time Blender was the only Video Editing software out there with any quality.

This is a compositing package, much different from blender.

If you believe that blender is a "quality video editor" please try at least kdenlive to understand what a decent video editor looks like. The video editing feature set in blender is a nice addon for hardcore Blender users but totally inaccessible for anybody else and missing a lot of must-have features. But it is nice, however, to see that they are working on it, maybe in a few years it will be great.

Re: Natron: Open-source compositing software for Mac, Windows and Linux

#14

For those of you like me that don't know much about video editing and you're curious what compositing is, here's an article: http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/compositing-video.html

This article is nice, but it's missing discussion of a key component which is painfully obvious in the composited image: you have to match the lighting on your subject with how it would look in the actual scene.

You can do this digitally (as part of color grading), but the ideal solution is to do it IRL with light color. Especially if you're shooting with a consumer grade camera and have to live with the severely limited colorspace headroom.

Re: Natron: Open-source compositing software for Mac, Windows and Linux

#15

For those of you like me that don't know much about video editing and you're curious what compositing is, here's an article: http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/compositing-video.html

Thanks, because nothing on the homepage made sense to me!

Re: Natron: Open-source compositing software for Mac, Windows and Linux

#16

I have an older, portable version lying around in my machine and I really liked it (though knowing very little about compositing when I downloaded it). It helped me do some nice animations to explain a few things through video. Now I'm a bit surprised that they require you to register to download any version... I know it's free, but it still feels unnecesary... I just want the file, why do I have to register?

> they require you to register to download any version

The source is on Github and is GPL.

If they didn't provide the additional option of registering to download a binary, you probably wouldn't complain.

Re: Natron: Open-source compositing software for Mac, Windows and Linux

#17
post #8

This looks superficially like Blenders Node based compositing engine. Some of their demo videos used blender as part of the pipeline. I wonder what a comparison with Blender would look like. Does it offer any value if you are already use Blender? Either way more Open Source competition in this space is a good thing. For a long time Blender was the only Video Editing software out there with any quality.

This is a compositing package, much different from blender. If you believe that blender is a "quality video editor" please try at least kdenlive to understand what a decent video editor looks like. The video editing feature set in blender is a nice addon for hardcore Blender users but totally inaccessible for anybody else and missing a lot of must-have features. But it is nice, however, to see that they are working o…

I have in fact tried kdenlive in the past and found it be (for my needs which are admittedly small) to be subpar compared to Blender. Addtionally, so as far as I know it's only available on Linux while both Blender and Natron appear to be available on multiple platforms which is an important feature to me.

I'm not a professional video editor of course and everyone looks at this stuff with different slightly desires. Blender had NLE before kdenlive even existed, if I recall correctly. My comment was in reference to that period of time. It's nice to see competitors like kdenlive and natron have appeared.

What must-have features are missing? Last I checked it did basic video editing really well and it's compositing engine is really quite nice. It's not Adobe Premiere but for most use cases I've found it to be the most complete and featureful editor out there that is both multiplatform and Open Source.

Re: Natron: Open-source compositing software for Mac, Windows and Linux

#18
post #8

This looks superficially like Blenders Node based compositing engine. Some of their demo videos used blender as part of the pipeline. I wonder what a comparison with Blender would look like. Does it offer any value if you are already use Blender? Either way more Open Source competition in this space is a good thing. For a long time Blender was the only Video Editing software out there with any quality.

Blender's compositor is good enough for lots of things, but it's a bit limited. Natron has a larger range of node types and also allows you to run OpenFx plugins, of which there are many (including both free ones and expensive professional ones).

Re: Natron: Open-source compositing software for Mac, Windows and Linux

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a compositing package, much different from blender. If you believe that blender is a "quality video editor" please try at least kdenlive to understand what a decent video editor looks like. The video editing feature set in blender is a nice addon for hardcore Blender users but totally inaccessible for anybody else and missing a lot of must-have features. But it is nice, however, to see that they are working o…

I have in fact tried kdenlive in the past and found it be (for my needs which are admittedly small) to be subpar compared to Blender. Addtionally, so as far as I know it's only available on Linux while both Blender and Natron appear to be available on multiple platforms which is an important feature to me. I'm not a professional video editor of course and everyone looks at this stuff with different slightly desires.…

I'm with you on the Blender VSE vs Kdenlive question fwiw. First tried Kdenlive years ago and couldn't get sound to sync, so gave up. Tried again a few months ago, can't remember what the exact problem was but found it to be wanting compared to Blender.

I will admit that Blender has an unusual UI that will deter a lot of people.

Re: Natron: Open-source compositing software for Mac, Windows and Linux

#20
post #8

This looks superficially like Blenders Node based compositing engine. Some of their demo videos used blender as part of the pipeline. I wonder what a comparison with Blender would look like. Does it offer any value if you are already use Blender? Either way more Open Source competition in this space is a good thing. For a long time Blender was the only Video Editing software out there with any quality.

Blender's node system can do compositing and basic video editing. Another free software graph based/dataflow system that can be used as a basis for such video editing and fx is GIMPs new engine GEGL; this goat filled video presented at this years libre graphics meeting was edited and composited using software based on that stack https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJJPgLGrSgc
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