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Over one million people sign UK petition for second EU referendum

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Re: Over one million people sign UK petition for second EU referendum

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Post by perlgeek »

dragonwriter wrote: post #62
perlgeek wrote: post #30

That's not how democracy works. If there is a referendum, and you don't like the result, you don't just do a second referendum. If you'd do that, you could achieve any result you want, just by doing it over and over until. Due to voter's fatigue and/or daily sentiment, results will vary, so you can pick a result by deciding when to stop. It might make sense (though still be questionable) to repeat the vote if major f…

Democracy works however the people subject to it decide it works. To the extent that's not true, it's not democracy at all.

That is true, but not very enlightening as such.

The petition is signed by fewer folks than those that voted to remain in the EU, so it could "just" be a fraction of those that already voted calling for a second referendum. That's not the same as the people collectively deciding something different than before.

Re: Over one million people sign UK petition for second EU referendum

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Post by dingaling »

gakada wrote: post #7
michaelt wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If exit negotiations take a few years, and the European wanted to offer the Brits a face-saving way to change their minds, they could adopt some internal reforms / offer Britain a better deal. Wouldn't have to be a perfect deal, just good enough to justify having another vote.

That's the last thing they will do because then it would encourage every EU country to hold a referendum and do the same thing, which would kill the EU easily. [What I see as more likely is that the UK invokes Article 50, goes through a financial crisis, and then the EU offer to cancel our Article 50 invocation and let us stay in the EU if we join the Euro and Schengen.]

> That's the last thing they will do because then it would encourage every EU country to hold a referendum and do the same thing, which would kill the EU easily.

If that would kill the EU then the EU probably deserves to die. Otherwise it suggests that it only persists through the inability of its consituent populations to challenge the status quo.

Re: Over one million people sign UK petition for second EU referendum

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Post by [deleted] »

perlgeek wrote: post #30

That's not how democracy works. If there is a referendum, and you don't like the result, you don't just do a second referendum. If you'd do that, you could achieve any result you want, just by doing it over and over until. Due to voter's fatigue and/or daily sentiment, results will vary, so you can pick a result by deciding when to stop. It might make sense (though still be questionable) to repeat the vote if major f…

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Re: Over one million people sign UK petition for second EU referendum

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Post by ap3 »

frou_dh wrote: post #77
tim333 wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The petition was set up before the first brexit vote. It's just people are voting for it now. What if after seeing the results, plunging markets, Farage admitting the £350m to the NHS thing was BS, Calais saying they'll move the refugee camps to the UK by refusing to allow the UK border control to operate in France, there is now a majority wanting to remain? Should they ram through the exit against the public wishes…

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2016-05-23

That's a month before

Re: Over one million people sign UK petition for second EU referendum

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Post by ap3 »

tim333 wrote: post #68
TrickzOnU wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they didn't vote because they assumed some result, perhaps they are not as passionate about their position and should not get to vote a second time.

Quite a lot of the not voting were young people who had not figured the logistics of registering a month before and so on. The oldies who votted for brexit had mostly voted before and so were pre registered and know the procedure which slewed the results.

Maybe we should not lend a lot of weight to the opinions of adults who have not figured out how voting works

Re: Over one million people sign UK petition for second EU referendum

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Post by ap3 »

dragonwriter wrote: post #54
tim333 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Other countries look at the UK precedent, Greece leaves, things disintegrate.

This seems to presume positive results in Britain which make it attractive to emulate. That seems, at best, a premature assumption at this point.

How long has the UK been around vs how long the EU has existed?

Re: Over one million people sign UK petition for second EU referendum

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Post by dragonwriter »

ap3 wrote: post #88
dragonwriter wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This seems to presume positive results in Britain which make it attractive to emulate. That seems, at best, a premature assumption at this point.

How long has the UK been around vs how long the EU has existed?

How is that even relevant to anything? The relative costs and benefits to the UK (or any nation that might think to follow it out of the EU) of staying in vs. leaving the EU is not measured by how long the UK had been around vs. how long the EU has been around.

Re: Over one million people sign UK petition for second EU referendum

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Post by Oletros »

tim333 wrote: post #32
Oletros wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's not obvious at this point that the EU will still be around a couple of years from now Why?

Other countries look at the UK precedent, Greece leaves, things disintegrate.

> Other countries look at the UK precedent,

If it is positive, thing that it is highly dubious

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