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Sturgeon seeks Brussels talks to protect Scotland's EU membership

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Re: Sturgeon seeks Brussels talks to protect Scotland's EU membership

#11
This is exactly how secession should work. Clearly the Scots and the English and Welsh have different opinions on being part of the EU. It is tyrannical for either group to force their preference on the others.

So let Scotland secede and join the EU. Problem solved, human freedom and happiness maximized.

See 'Secession: The Reasonable Option Everyone Resists' by Tom Woods:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXOEdvfMeIY

Re: Sturgeon seeks Brussels talks to protect Scotland's EU membership

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It might be good for them to cool off for a couple of decades and rejoin. It's not like Britain is dependent on EU subsidies or anything.

It's subtle. The UK is a net contributor to the EU, but it also has the financial center of the EU in London. On top of that some areas of the UK are net recipients of EU money, others are contributors. Losing the financial center alone may already tip the balance out of favor, and for some areas (notably Scotland) the loss will be much larger. Back of the envelope has the UK in worse shape without the EU and access…

And of course, Hong Kong and Singapore will also stop being financial centres, since they haven't been in the EU to begin with.

Re: Sturgeon seeks Brussels talks to protect Scotland's EU membership

#13

This is exactly how secession should work. Clearly the Scots and the English and Welsh have different opinions on being part of the EU. It is tyrannical for either group to force their preference on the others. So let Scotland secede and join the EU. Problem solved, human freedom and happiness maximized. See 'Secession: The Reasonable Option Everyone Resists' by Tom Woods: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXOEdvfMeIY

It would be more fair to hold a referendum in England whether it should be united with Scotland. Would be more productive for Scotland's independence.

Re: Sturgeon seeks Brussels talks to protect Scotland's EU membership

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's subtle. The UK is a net contributor to the EU, but it also has the financial center of the EU in London. On top of that some areas of the UK are net recipients of EU money, others are contributors. Losing the financial center alone may already tip the balance out of favor, and for some areas (notably Scotland) the loss will be much larger. Back of the envelope has the UK in worse shape without the EU and access…

And of course, Hong Kong and Singapore will also stop being financial centres, since they haven't been in the EU to begin with.

That's disingenuous and you know it.

One of the main attractions of London as a banking centre is its EU membership. Sure, there are others, but it seems extremely likely that companies will relocate because they judge access to the EU market as more important.

Re: Sturgeon seeks Brussels talks to protect Scotland's EU membership

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An important part of the campaign against the independence was that they would be out of the EU, isn't? The irony is really big here

Quite the case. One of the key reasons that the Scottish referendum in 2014 was not won was because of uncertainty about continued EU membership and the currency that the country would use.

To make that decision and less than two years later be dragged out of the EU anyway has pissed off a bunch of people. Lots of noise coming from former 'no' voters and media about how they feel misled. And now that Scotland has resoundingly - 24% margin! - voters to remain in the EU, it seems there is a bit of a mandate.

I am not enjoying the atmosphere here at the moment. This whole thing has been a colossal fuckup which has permanently damaged the UK.

Re: Sturgeon seeks Brussels talks to protect Scotland's EU membership

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

And of course, Hong Kong and Singapore will also stop being financial centres, since they haven't been in the EU to begin with.

That's disingenuous and you know it. One of the main attractions of London as a banking centre is its EU membership. Sure, there are others, but it seems extremely likely that companies will relocate because they judge access to the EU market as more important.

Possibly, although I wouldn't rush it. Worth seeing which countries will remain in the EU by the time UK finalises the exit.

Re: Sturgeon seeks Brussels talks to protect Scotland's EU membership

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's disingenuous and you know it. One of the main attractions of London as a banking centre is its EU membership. Sure, there are others, but it seems extremely likely that companies will relocate because they judge access to the EU market as more important.

Possibly, although I wouldn't rush it. Worth seeing which countries will remain in the EU by the time UK finalises the exit.

There might not be a UK by the time the exit is finalized, that is the brutally honest subject of this thread.

Re: Sturgeon seeks Brussels talks to protect Scotland's EU membership

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

And of course, Hong Kong and Singapore will also stop being financial centres, since they haven't been in the EU to begin with.

That's disingenuous and you know it. One of the main attractions of London as a banking centre is its EU membership. Sure, there are others, but it seems extremely likely that companies will relocate because they judge access to the EU market as more important.

London was a banking capital long before the EU existed. And Hong Kong became a banking capital under British governance.

Look at it another way. Europe has been unable to recreate Silicon Valley. What makes you think it'll be so easy to recreate the City?

Re: Sturgeon seeks Brussels talks to protect Scotland's EU membership

#19

This is exactly how secession should work. Clearly the Scots and the English and Welsh have different opinions on being part of the EU. It is tyrannical for either group to force their preference on the others. So let Scotland secede and join the EU. Problem solved, human freedom and happiness maximized. See 'Secession: The Reasonable Option Everyone Resists' by Tom Woods: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXOEdvfMeIY

It would be more fair to hold a referendum in England whether it should be united with Scotland. Would be more productive for Scotland's independence.

How so?

Re: Sturgeon seeks Brussels talks to protect Scotland's EU membership

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's subtle. The UK is a net contributor to the EU, but it also has the financial center of the EU in London. On top of that some areas of the UK are net recipients of EU money, others are contributors. Losing the financial center alone may already tip the balance out of favor, and for some areas (notably Scotland) the loss will be much larger. Back of the envelope has the UK in worse shape without the EU and access…

And of course, Hong Kong and Singapore will also stop being financial centres, since they haven't been in the EU to begin with.

Currently a lot of fincancial products can be created and managed in London, since once approved there, they are automatically approved in all other EU member states, too.

This of course will have to change once the UK has left the EU, making the people involved in these processes one of the first to be moved to Franfkurt etc.

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